Lost 60lbs & Fixed insulin resistance with Atkins. Will juice fasting hurt my progress??
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I Lost 60 lbs and cured metabolic syndrome (insulin resistance) quickly on a modified Atkins diet. Can I start juice fasting without raising my sugar/insulin levels and "blowing up" again. I am down to about 5% bodyfat with normal blood sugar and LOVING it. How can I juice without upsetting my sugar/insulin balance again? Is it worth it? I am 6" and was up to 240lbs after a back surgery. I found out that I was pre diabetic so I cut sugar and pretty much did a modified Atkins induction for a few months (mostly in ketosis). I Lost 60 lbs and cured metabolic syndrome (insulin resistance) quite quickly. My body has responded to this well however I am concerned that the high fat, super low carb diet may not be ideal for me long term. I was about to go buy a masticating juicer and mix in juice fasts to give my body some periods where I get intense micro nutrients and low fat. I am concerned about going from 20-40 grams of carb daily with GREAT results to drinking multiple glasses of fruit/vegetable juice per day. Could that sugar be a disaster?. Would a body benefit from varying between the two in any way? Would it be detrimental? Would vegetable only juice suffice, or are they also too high in sugar? My cholesterol is also a bit high but came down some after I started the Atkins diet. My doctor told me that sugar and carbs raise LDL and Trigs MORE than Baconburgers ultimately. Am I risking raising my cholesterol further by adding sugar from the juices? I read that beets will lower bad cholesterol. They are quite sweet. If it raises sugar/carb than how can they lower cholesterol? What side wins? I am at about 5% body fat with normal sugar and loving it. How can I juice without upsetting my sugar/insulin balance and "blowing up" again. Should I just leave well enough alone or try going for a higher level of nutrition? (PS: Yes, I am asking my doctor as well) Thank You SG
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I do obesity research for a living these days. Full disclosure: I do not do clinical work. But I am not basing this advice off of fad diets, quackery, or pseudoscience. You're at your desired healthy weight and body fat now. Great. Losing weight is damn hard. You did it. Congrats. But juice fasting is a bad idea. Going on even a short-term diet consisting mostly of fruit sugars is going to mess with your insulin levels. Spike, recover, spike, recover, repeatedly. This is the kind of thing that will screw you up permanently. Your body's response to what you eat is based in many ways on what you ate previously. Exposure to some types of diets can predispose you to bad responses to other diets in the future (for example, high-fat-diet exposure can predispose you towards obesity through changes in your metabolic response to fat). If you expose yourself to repeated sugar-based insulin spikes you can be doing damage to your ability to respond to insulin in the future. That way lies diabetes, which is what you were trying to avoid in the first place. Eat the food you should be eating, all the time. Balance between healthy, complex carbs and protein sources. Plenty of fresh fruits and vegetables. Healthy fats (think fish oil and nuts). Limit overprocessed stuff. If you want to change your level of fitness, add an exercise plan. Focus on being healthy, not on a specific measurement like body fat percentage, BMI (a poor measure to begin with!) or weight. If you have unhealthy levels of cholesterol, or insulin resistance, or get out of breath during what should be routine physical exertion, then add an exercise plan and / or make changes to your diet (moderate changes, not drastic ones) in consultation with a health professional. Remember that we're omnivores. We are not built to handle a diet that consists of only one type of food. Addendum: First rule in science is to always start by admitting you might be wrong. Anyone with more experience in the field than I is more than welcome to correct or amend what I stated above. I would prefer that person be your dietician rather than someone on Mefi (even if that Mefite is a dietician, he/she isn't YOUR dietician).
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Juice fasts have no measurable benefits that you can't get from eating more vegetables. If you want to go low-fat for periods of time, then go low-fat for periods of time and replace the fat with whole fruits and nutrient-rich starchy vegetables like sweet potatoes. If you want to fast, then fast. Look up Intermittent Fasting, it definitely has benefits to insulin sensitivity and doesn't have all of the "woo" of juice fasts.
schroedinger
Would it be detrimental? Self-directed, radical dietary changes in any direction are rarely a good idea. The thing about juice is that you lose much of the fruit or vegetablefiber bulk that would otherwise slow sugar digestion and absorption as well as providing the other benefits associated with fiber. Please get that advice from your physician (as you intend to) as (1)nobody on the internet is qualified to give you medical advice and (2)the internet is a magnet for people who wish to be "helpful" despite no foundation in medicine or nutrition. A referral to a registered dietician could set you up with someone qualified to work with you longer-term to arrive at an enjoyable diet that provides you with the nutrition you require.
Inspector.Gadget
Eating high fat and low carb in the long term will noy hurt you. Read Good Calories, Bad Calories or Why We Get Fat (both by Gary Taubes) if you need convincing of this. No AskMeFi answer will be a fraction as informative or persuasive as either of those books, nor as well-cited.
Nattie
First question: What is your goal with juice fasting? You don't really state what you're looking for, and there's no benefits that I know of. And yes, the high sugar contents of the fruits will mess up your insulin just as if you decided to start eating bread/rice/potatoes. And going low/zero fat is not a good idea - fat is good for you! You can stay low-carb for essentially forever w/o issues. If you want to take this to the next level and go super-low-bodyfat, check out "carb cycling", it's what bodybuilders do to burn off that last bit of bodyfat. BUT going So..to restate, what is your actual goal? What are you looking for with juice fasting that you're not achieving now? You really need to focus on healthy goals, and *then* figure out how to get there. Don't be looking at random diets and asking what they'll do for you. BTW, most every "cleansing" and "detox" diet is bunk - they only provide temporary changes, are usually detrimental, and the rebound leaves you worse than you started. As you've learned already, real changes come from slow, long-term lifestyle improvements. There is no shortcut to health.5>
jpeacock
Just think about what is even vaguely 'natural' for humans: - eating tons of refined carbs (no - as you found out) - eating more protein and fewer carbs (yes - as you found out) - starting to add in more vegetables, reduce the fat, keep protein high, and add in a few carefully chosen carbs (yes - that's what many people do post-atkins, and it lets them maintain their weight loss AND be interesting enough to be sustainable in the long-run) - juicing fruits & vegetables instead of learning how to incorporate them into your overall diet and meals (not really a great approach to life-long nutritional habits)
barnone
You've found something (low carb) that's worked really well for you. Why suddenly switch to another thing (juicing) that is pretty much the exact opposite? If you need more carbs for exercise - which it really sounds like you do - try adding more healthy carbs slowly. You can add fruits and vegetables (whole, not juiced), legumes, whole grains. It will probably work better to make this change gradually rather than suddenly dumping a lot of sugar into your system.
medusa
I would suggest looking into South Beach, since it addresses the downsides of Atkins which you seem to be looking to bypass (although to be fair, I never did much research into Atkins and most of what I know is from other people who have done it). South Beach has a similar premise, but specifically guides you towards eating a very healthy diet which is not super high in fats, and contains lots of vegetables.
markblasco
You mentioned that you added additional avocados, nuts, and yogurt to the mix with no ill effects and no weight gain, what about just doing the same with vegetable juices? Add a kale/carrot/beet/whatever juice in the morning, eat how you normally do the rest of the day, and then see how you are feeling/weighing after a few days of this. Then, add something else - more juice, a piece of fruit, etc. and see how you feel and how your body responds. Maybe making one modification every week and giving it a week or so before modifying something else. On preview - what platinum is saying as I too am familiar with the Atkins diet and finding your ACE. I don't think it is smart to go from one "extreme" diet to another (not that I personally think atkins or a temporary juice fast is extreme but they are pretty different from one another).
click
You say you're doing a "modified Atkins." Are you using the http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439190275/metafilter-20/ref=nosim/? Have you moved through all four phases? Have you found your ACE? The book actually lays out exactly what steps you should take to slowly and safely add more nutrients and carbs back into your diet until you reach your carb equilibrium and how to maintain it over the long haul. If you are reading an older version of the book or are more or less making it up as you go along, I highly recommend that you pick up the new book and give it a read through. I think you'll find exactly what you're looking for already laid out there.
platinum
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