If there are any illegal immigrants out there that feel they contribute to society, I want to know how?
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I'm so tired of hearing how illegals are ciminals, and they don't pay taxes.....etc. When these "illegals" are doing the same things colonial settlers did (our ancestors). In my mind illegal immigrants are equal to colonial settlers in the need and drive for obtaining a better life. So any way i just want to hear things from there perspective, please no racist comments!
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The illegal immigration debate is not actually a debate; it’s a straight up power play. The so called “debate” would be more accurately described as a largely one sided affair, an extended xenophobic rant. And the people responsible for this are members of the ruling class of American society or those who for whatever reason align themselves with ruling class with ruling class interest. These people want to monopolize the definition of American identity. They want to be the ones that decide who is a real American and who is not. “I’m an authentic American and you’re not so get out,” “stop ruining my country, and so on….etc”. It’s true that changing governmental policies towards immigration could have a significant impact on our economy; no one denies this, but it’s also quite obvious that there are many other ways and more profound ways to transform the national economy. So why has illegal immigration been made the hot topic right now? Well, it’s because it’s a very convenient way for the people who control public discourse to merge two things: A) On one hand we have ordinary working people feeling incredible insecure and uncertain about the future. A situation which is really only made worse by increased concentration of wealth, resources, and power into the hands of the already wealthy. I mean this is what you get under predatory capitalism. B) On the other hand we have these very infective tools of controlling public opinion: • Racism • Scapegoating • Fear Mongering So the illegal immigration debate is the bringing of these two things together. Americans are being told that there not only in danger of loosing there jobs, but even our language, our culture, and our security. And it’s all the fault of the people that are not us, they are the other. And we should be fearful of them. We should protect ourselves from them. So this is the identity aspect I was talking about. But this is just a smoke screen an act of misdirection. You get your average American workers riled up about these illegal immigrants.*laughs to himself* they must be getting very rich, but of coarse this is absurd. The real profits aren’t going to the illegal immigrants ok, and there not going to the mild class. In fact a disproportionate amount of the nations wealth is being systematically funneled into the pockets of the richest of the rich even conservative economist agree on this. But you know these self appointed watch dogs of Americanism have actually been very successful at whipping up popular animosity towards these so called illegal immigrants. If you think about it what they have been able to accomplish is quite remarkable. They have basically taken a group of people coming from tremendously impoverished places living extremely difficult lives. And they have successfully branded them as a bunch of criminal opportunist hell bent on exploiting American generosity. Which is of course tremendously ironic considering that first world’s exploitation of the third world has caused the conditions that the Mexicans are fleeing from in the first place.
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They all make the claim that they do, but fall short of showing any real proof. The truth is that they make these lies up about contributing to fool us, as well as them selves into believing that they are honest, hardworking people. Illegal aliens, are one of the 3 points of interest that are going to destroy this country, if they were to take a moment and look past their own greed they would in turn understand how damaging they are to this country, and its people. Deport illegals, and keep the dream alive. To those posting above me, the illegal aliens have driven down wages in many jobs, making them undesirable to most American workers, also keep in mind that the lower wages they receive for doing these jobs are not reflected in the price of the good/service provided.
MLK
yeah, you keep thinking that. My guess is you don't have 50 of them living next door to you, I assume they aren't overcrowding your schools and their gangs aren't victimizing your families. I take it your local hospital isn't closing because its bankrupt from having to treat all the illegals who simply wander in for routine health care. I assume your local crime rate hasn't risen to do gangs of illegals. Do they line your streets, urinating and defecating in bushes while waiting for work? Have YOU lost your job because some wett back will accept 1/4 of your salary with no benefits to do the same job? (and he is worse at it)? Have you ever been in a auto accident with one who has no ID, no insurance, no registration? And then you can't work, you have no car and can't sue anyone because the "colonial person" disappears? I didn't think so. For the record...be as TIRED as you like... but each and every one is a criminal. The very fact they invaded MY COUNTRY in violation of OUR laws makes them CRIMINALS. each and every single one. They then commit multiple felonies to obtain fraudulent ID, fraudulent SS cards, they don't pay taxes, they contribute NOTHING to society except crime and grime. They send 95% of their money home (mexicos #1 industry is the importation of US dollars) and spend very little. Yeah, just like the colonial settlers, LOL. You keep thinking that, pal. Typical liberal, is my assumption, who thinks with his feelings, not common sense and intelligence. Another person who has no dealings with them, is probably a NIMBY'er. As far as the whole "paying tax" issues...75% DO NOT. The ones that do, are doing so with a phony SS number or a stolen SS number that some poor american is going to have to sort out some day. They are NOT paying taxes in any LEGAL fashion. Only a fool would try to justify criminal behavior by saying...ew.. they pay taxes. Yeah, fraudulently by not belonging here to begin with! LOL. I say give them back their "taxes" and a one way plane ticket to the slums of mexico. Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household. Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
Problem Child
Illegals claim because they buy goods, they pay SALES TAX. This is often the *only* TAX they're talking about paying. They do not understand that is NOT the taxes we mean...we want them to get paid with a pay check stub where state, local, federal govt percentage of earnings taxes are taken out WEEKLY. They need to stop comparing themselves to LAW-abiding CITIZENS. They are neither! Facts are your friends. These supporters of illegal immigration need to read this:
Suze
I doubt you are going to get many answers that differ from the usual; 1. Jobs that Americans won't do. 2. Keep things cheap. 3. Pay taxes. (Partial truth) I think there are some who do benefit this country and make substantial contributions, but those are buried by the hordes that come over, don't respect our laws, have no allegiance to America, and will leave it worst than they found it. Unfortunate that so many want us to embrace people who will never embrace the country that gave them so many chances. Unfortunate that our government cannot come up with a program to take care of this problem. Of course, why should they? They live in a world of gated communities, private schools, and the best hospitals.
bopoppa
They contribute a huge amount of urine to the parking lot of the 7-11 @ Western Ave. and Carson St. that they loiter next to all day. The smell of that corner keeps me from going to any businesses there. Way to contribute!! And don't forget about the Aarco down the street off of President Ave...so gross.
Sidepocket8ball
They contribute by working for cheap labor and saving lots of money to the country
Francisco F
You do realize that when the settlers came to this land there was no government, no laws, no benefits to be handed out. There was NOTHING!! They built everything with thier own hands and most paid for it with their lives! There is no way any educated person can compare what the settlers did almost 300 years ago to the invasion that is going on now! How ignorant of you. This is a land with LAWS and a Governement. These invaders are not wanting to "settle" here! They want Benefits, medical, food stamps, housing, welfare etc! The Illegals are all criminals. They have invaded this country and are not doing anything to better it, they are only interest in what they can get for nothing!
Gone
they do the work that nobody takes....there's one
Javier G
I have many friends that have come here illegally, and they do pay taxes. They don't get tax refunds because they don't have a social. I would see that as contributing. They pay their bills like law abiding citizens. They contribute to our economy by buying goods from the u.s
MamaM3gan
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