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Post Constitution Day question about upcoming election: How many illegals will vote; and how many should vote?

• With well over 20 million illegal aliens believed to be in the country according to information obtained through ICE personnel and extensive ongoing data collection research referenced on the Immigration Counters website estimating 23 million, how many of the illegals do you believe will vote in the upcoming November elections? Ongoing registration of voters who have no right to even be in the country is something ICE appears to be fully aware of. Discussions with an especially forthcoming agent who seemed to carefully choose individual words while his message intentionally hid little, provided information through inference and specifics alike according to the best available ICE data. The agent willingly referred to issues recognizable to many in this forum in numbers he believed few could imagine, including the drawn out precursor to his agency’s estimate of those who don’t belong as being WELL over 20 million. Because of the enormity of the growing number, determined illegals and liberal progressives strive to cover up what’s taking place by way of extensive disinformation campaigns that would undoubtedly be regarded as impressive within government and military clandestine organizations skilled as well as reliant on the tactic. Some of their contributions can be found here with barely related parroted quips, name-calling, surprisingly imaginative unsupported statistics and rants, and personal attacks as extensions of the disinformation campaign. While their contributions are meant to be distracting and maybe to amuse or impress fellow illegals and radical Liberals, few willing to do modest research on the numbers and voter fraud are likely to fall prey to the intentional disinformation. A local voter registration drive reaching tens of thousands of Denver metro Hispanics with no citizenship kicked into high gear over the summer in the State's largest and busiest Social Services Office, at the Richard T. Castro Human Services complex. And anyone not entirely familiar with the registration activities taking place through Latino community organizations nationwide independent from the public HS Offices, which compound the numbers, may be less than satisfied with the inclusion of non-citizens intent on swaying the vote. A link to photos from the local registration drive is included with other evidence of the disturbing trend in the metro area through the flickr site below. Since the extensive Social Services voter registration activities reach far beyond the Denver area, and Latino organizations nationwide aggressively contribute to increasing the ranks of registered Latinos, citizenship notwithstanding, our elections are becoming progressively more tainted with individuals who should not be voting. Several links will be included for those of you willing to thoughtfully consider the numbers of illegals you believe might vote, while the question similarly includes how many do you feel should vote. And if any of you believe who should vote includes a large bloc of outsiders and non-citizens, then perhaps you can answer one additional question. How many Canadian citizens do you feel would be acceptable to bus southward across the border to cast votes in tightly contested races where Republicans and Conservatives could benefit from a boost courtesy of our adjacent northerly neighbor? Keeping the U.S. intact, economically solvent, and limiting the extent of socialist change is typically considered to be more of a priority amongst our northern neighbors than the 20 to 24 million illegals believed to be in the country from our southern neighbor whose most widespread exports appear to be drugs and uneducated laborers. Surprising numbers of the latter group are not literate in their own language, much less ours, and in their own country this group is regularly referred to as peons. Please consider the words of some politically astute individuals who've earned a place of honor in history and cared about the Republic in ways the far left obviously does not: "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic." -- Ben Franklin "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money." -- Alexis du Tocqueville

• Answer:

  The question is really dealing with several issues, isn't it? How many illegal aliens is our country trying to manage, provide for, and occasionally employ (while assimilate might sound appropriate here, their utter disregard for the land they’ve come to lends to a widespread belief that that would be anathema to the Mexican illegals determined to write their own rules), and ultimately then, how many are currently registered and likely to vote. Your communication with ICE appears to have provided solid support for numbers offered on sites which claim to have researched the numbers more thoroughly and extensively than any census report, thus far. For obvious reasons, it's typical for illegal aliens to resist providing specific information for the government, which might lend to more clear documentation of their collective numbers living amongst our populace. The Immigration Counters website describes very thorough methodology used for its estimates, which appear in-line with and supportive of your ICE Agent’s claims of well over 20 million. My feeling for some time has been that the overall numbers of illegals would be in the low to mid-twenty million range, so the Immigration Counters’ estimate suggesting slightly over 23 million seems altogether likely. How many will vote, and how many should vote? The second question is easy, because, of course, anyone other than the most underhanded, manipulative progressive liberal types, or illegals themselves, should be adamant about none being the only acceptable answer. It won't be how many will vote, though. Your local voter registration drive image in the flickr posts was a nice touch. How can anyone argue that it's going on? Furthermore, LaRaza's registration drive activities which included mailing voter registration cards to a million prospective new and previously unrecognized voters off their rolls before the last election was a direct attempt to defraud and overwhelm the election process for real American citizens. If I were to offer an estimate of that liberal manipulation of the 2010 vote, it would probably fall in the range of 6 to 8 million illegal non-citizens voting. It probably wouldn't shock many of us if it turned into more than 10 million, though. Of course, the larger number becomes progressively more damaging as it gives leadership positions to more so-called Progressives whose leftist policies appear to be driving the Democratic Party's agenda. Can we stop the madness? That's not likely to happen until the problem is recognized for precisely what it is. Ben Franklin obviously understood the potential for misuse and abuse of the elective process, as did the other two wise men quoted above. Our elections must be open to living, breathing, real citizens only, and when some argue a form of qualifier for inclusion such as verifiable payment of taxes or some rudimentary test for civics or understanding of the political process, it would be hard to discount the basis for why such arguments are offered. We need to do a better job of keeping massive numbers of outsiders who have no assignment of rights under the Constitution or any governing document from distorting the will of the People who have every right to elect our leaders!