Has anyone been on the "Halloween Train" in New Hope?

How many people really think anyone can do "Personal Protection" Training in dogs?

  • I have long believed that people will do or say anything to make themselves right on an issue where they have literally stepped in something that smells bad. I have always tried to understand that everyone makes mistakes and that includes me. Further, I hope I am big enough to admit when I am wrong. I have made the statement on several occasion that the average pet owner is not capable of doing their own protection training in a dog, and I have gotten upset more than a few times when I see people come on and ask such questions as "How do I make my dog kill on command?" or "How do I make my Pit Bull's head bigger so he looks meaner?" or "What is the best book to buy so I can train my dog to be mean?" Maybe I am wrong. I believe there are people who are capable of training their dogs but I also believe they need assistance and for something as important as personal protection, they most certainly need someone who is well trained in the art. However, I will be the first to admit, though I have watched others train, and I have even assisted at times, this is not my forte. So, I would like input from you guys on the idea that anyone can train a dog for personal protection, and also, should personal protection training be promoted in the average canine? Most of you know I am working on some rescue issues with my county right now and writing several proposals. One of the reasons I am asking this is because we have always tried to put stipulations in our proposals with the county that deals specifically with laws associated with dog training. For example: we have a stipulation right now that states anyone who deliberately trains a domesticated dog that is a family pet to attack will be fined and the dog confiscated. It is not worded exactly like that, but I think you guys get the idea. Thanks in advance for your discussions on this.

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    Huh. The 'average' pet owner barely knows which end of the leash to use if they use one at all. No. No one but a professional licensed in this field. Period. No arguments, no exceptions. What I am starting to find disturbing is the videos you can access. Many of them are 'home made' and the so called 'trainer' hasn't a clue in hell what he(she) is doing. People look at them and think "Well, I can do that!" Even with the videos that are obviously done by professionals it is still disturbing. People are wanting dogs to 'protect' them. To 'protect' their home. Protect their children. It is not the animal's job to protect. It is our job as the owners of these dogs to protect them, our home and children. Unfortunately, I do believe Launi is very capable of coming to my assistance if she felt I was being threatened. It is unfortunate because she would be in my line of fire. And I am very sorry to tell everyone this but a PP dog, no matter how deadly, is no match for a firearm.

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When you say train themselves, do you mean they are the trainer or the handler? if you mean they are the trainer, than no, without proper experience and understanding of dogs an average person will not be able to train their dog to be a PP dog. If you mean as a handler, than sure, with proper instruction from the trainer most people can learn how to train and handle their PP dog. BTW, making a dog mean has nothing to do with training a PP dog. these dogs are not mean! they are confident and trained how to act and react in certain situation. I mean / aggressive dog can never be a good PP dog, to unpredictable. Jasmer have you ever seen a well trained personal protection dog / ring dog or schutzhund dog? these are the best behaves, predictable dogs you will ever encounter. they will not attack unprovoked. In fact they are the ones nicely walking in a heel position next to their owner and ignoring the rest of the world as it does not concern them.

dobiz_rule

I have been training dogs for about 30 years. I like to think I'm pretty good at it. I've even read about PP dogs and how to train them, so I think I have the knowledge, the temperament, and the common sense to train one on my own, although I have never done so. That said, I would NOT train a dog for protection for the first time without an experienced protection trainer guiding me. Just because I THINK I know what I'm doing, doesn't mean I do. I'd rather do it under the supervision of someone who is experienced with it. If I screw up attempting to train my first tracking dog on my own, no harm done. But when you're teaching a dog to attack people, and you screw it up, the repercussions can be serious.

DaBasset - BYBs kill dogs

Of the common household pet owner? I would say maybe 3% at the most - if they are trying to do it alone based on reading books, watching videos or visiting Y/A lol. I believe if you go to someone who knows what they are doing that your likelihood of being able to train in PP goes up. But I also think there is a large percentage of those people AND their dogs that aren't cut out for PP training. Not just anyone can do it because it takes a lot of commitment, money and time - 3 things people around here have admitted to not having all that much of. Some dogs just don't have the right temperament for it either - no matter how badly the owner wants them too. Just because your dog is a GSD, Doberman, APBT, Rottie, whatever else - doesn't mean they are automatically cut out for that kind of training. There are people that are lazy enough to show up to a couple of training sessions and then decide they can do the rest by themselves at home - that is dangerous! There are 2 statements I live by when it comes to dogs: 1) DOGS ARE ONLY GOOD AS THEIR GENETIC GENE POOL; and 2) DOGS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THEIR OWNERS

Aphrodite ☼

Not all dogs apply. Dog needs to be evaluated...your average Joe, wouldnt have a clue whether or not a dog has what it takes. Personally, I wouldnt know where to start. You cant get that information in books, i think it would have to be someone who's had years and years of experience. In either case, if I needed protection, for whatever reason, I really wouldnt rely on an animal to provide that. There are plenty of other, more reliable, options.

Bells - Beach Bums

To make this short and simple. I firmly believe that no one should train their dogs to be aggressive unless their is a legitimate need or the dog is trained in duty or as a service dog..ect Many people choose their own views and opinions, even when their opinions endanger the life's of others. I agree with you completely. Ignorance is truly bliss, and many people try to justify their wrong doings.

Jake Sully®- Is Dirty

I agree 100 %. I think an unqualified person training any dog for personal protection is about the same as someone that knows NOTHING about guns carrying one that could misfire at any time!!

Bentley

There's more than a fine line between training a dog for protection and teaching one to be human aggressive. The idiots who ask those questions are not likely to even need personal protection, they just think having a 'tough' dog will make them look more manly. I get an even bigger kick out of the ones looking to make their labs and GRs to be guard dogs. If it was that simple (buying a book) to train a dog for protection, then a properly trained dog wouldn't cost tens of thousands of dollars. Wrong breed + wrong trainer/training = disaster

Alesi's Chis

Hell no. I have many years of obedience training experience, but would no more think of trying to train a protection dog than I would think of doing major surgery on myself. I think it takes a special kind of person to do this training; someone that is not 100% commited to it will turn out nothing but dogs that are a danger to be around.

~PapSett~

I don't think an average Joe can train a dog for protection. They would more than likely go about it the wrong way. I think an average Joe can train a dog for protection if they had a trainer, someone who is experienced in this art.

Brooke, Boxer Fanatic.

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