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America is a Christian nation?

  • I find this statement a bit odd, as we have no official religion in America, since the First Amendment to the Constitution prohibits congress from establishing a religion, or respecting one above the others. The next common argument I have heard is that the founding fathers were Christian, and wanted America to follow Christian beliefs. I know this to be false, as would anyone who has done any research into the lives of the founding fathers. Several were not Christian. Jefferson, but one example, was a Deist. Benjamin Franklin, also not Christian. It is not perfectly clear what he was, and both Atheists and Deists often claim him as one of their own. These men were fighting a revolution against a country who had what they considered a corrupt Church, set up by a corrupt king. After seeing what this caused, they were in no hurry to unite religion and government, as evidenced by the First Amendment, and the personal writings of Jefferson. It was from one of Jefferson's letters to a friend, for example, that the phrase "Wall of Separation" entered our vocabulary (although, it is highly likely he borrowed the idea from an earlier philosopher). Another common statement people use to support America being a Christian nation is that "Our country operates on Christian Values." I agree, our country does share some principles with Christianity. But in that light we are also a Muslim nation, and a Buddhist nation, and a Hindu nation, and a nation that operates off of a whole list of Pagan religions and tribal religions from around the world that sadly I am too uneducated to be able to list all of them. You see, ideals such as the sanctity of life and property which lead to our do not murder and do not steal laws are in fact Christian. They are also present in nearly every other religion, and in secular beliefs as well. Christians did not invent these principles, they are present and have been present all over the world in belief structures that predate Christianity. Also, the idea that the majority of the settlers came here for religious freedom is poor support. Look up the statistics again. Most who came here came for monetary reasons. (Besides, isn't it a bit ironic that adherents to a religion that descends from people fleeing persecution are so quick to persecute others?) Of course Christians will say America is a Christian nation, but their arguments are weak. I want somebody to present actual evidence that the founding fathers intended for this nation to be a Christian Nation. And no, the fact that the said "God" in various documents doesn't cut it, as lots of beliefs use the word "God." Deists do, Jews do, all manner of Theists do.

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    The words "In God We Trust" were not consistently on all U.S. currency until 1956, during the McCarthy Hysteria. The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers. No place in the American government has a place for any religion, of course I would not go the other way just to prove a point and remove God from our money, or the pledge of allegiance because one thing about the founding fathers, they seem to have all been young men who hated the mechanics of the church but realized that God was alive upon on the land.

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It's not. And there are no strong arguments to support it being one. America is a secular nation. It welcomes people of any religion, but does not incorporate religion into any aspect of governance. Meeeeee: That is not a strong argument either. The "under god" was added to the pledge of allegiance during McCarthyism because everyone was so paranoid about communists. It was not in the original pledge of allegiance.

Legio XVII

its not, it just has more christians than nay other religion. it would be a christian nation if christianity had a role in the government

iuo

80% of the country claims to be Christian. We ARE a Christian nation.

C.O. Jones

ROFL, I'm not even going to read the first sentence. I love how people are so serious about **** like this. Who gives a ****?

Tulak

I think it is becoming an increasingly less Christian nation. To identify America with any religion is a fallacy, as you stated, America was founded primarily by somewhat areligious people in opposition to a corrupt church system. From there on out, America has been referred to as a "melting pot" then a "tossed salad," implying ethnic, racial and religious diversity. I suspect that most adherents to the belief that America is inherently Christian will refer to the fact that a majority of Americans register as Christian, despite other polls that indicate that most people professing to be Christian do not adhere strictly to the religion. I think you make several valid points. I also think that, potentially, within our lifetime, America will not be identified with any religion in particular.

Spanky

No, this isn't a Christian Nation. In the early days of our secular republic, we signed the Treaty of Tripoli. This treaty was passed unamiously (image that happening today?), and explictly stated that we are not a Christian nation and that we respect the rights of Muslims to have free exercise. And most of the founders were not fundamentalist Christians. They were a mix of Deists, Unitarian Christians, and Quakers. Generally, more liberal theology where God is the central belief. We are a Sihk nation, a Shinto nation, a Muslim nation....etc. We have one of the best freedom of religion traditions in the so called 'free world.' In France, and other nations of Europe, Muslim women are disriminated against by not being able to wear a headress in public universities. This would never happen in America. We need to respect everyone's beliefs (or lack thereof) in this country. THAT is what this country was really founded upon.

Vaughn

How about the pledge? Ever thought of what it means? "... And to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, UNDER GOD..."

Meeeeee!

I think people say that because a majority of American citizens are Christian, although the Christian population is slowly declining.

Spread The Love

You've made several points with which I agree, but I still don't understand one basic thing: What's the point of arguing about it? As far as I'm concerned, the statement "America was founded as a Christian nation" has the merit of being accurate in this sense: MOST of the people who participated in the proposing AND RATIFYING of the US Constitution were Christians, and that they codified many laws and policies which recognized many Christian values (certainly not all), codified in some federal laws and in a great many state laws. And to this day we still know for a fact that the vast majority of our politicians are Christians. We have had an over-200-year-old tradition of hiring legislative chaplains for our legislatures -- Congress and the state legislatures -- and the chaplains are always Christians. There are also a noticable minority of non-Christians serving in government at all levels, because the US Constitution guarantees that no one can be excluded from serving in any level of government because of their religion, and the voters DO elect some politicians who are not of the same religion as themselves. I just don't understand what's the point of arguing about the phrase "America was founded as a Christian nation" ... "Oh no, it wasn't!!!!"

Mark D

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