I am curious, is it considered un-masculine in East Europe and Russia if a man cooks food or does dishes ?
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hi guys, ok, well I dated two woman from Eastern Europe separate times. Both are stunning beautifulthin, like real women. The first was half Polish and half Russian, from Poland, about 24, I dated her for for six months, before she returned to Poland. One time her older sister was over in the house, and saw me doing the dishes, and she snapped, and said "that her sister will or her will do it" I was like "huh" ? "it's no problem, I can do it". She said in "east europe, woman commands the kitchen". Now I date this girl about 21 year old from Romania. Now this was in my apartment, and I was cooking food, She brought her younger brother over too like 19 I think. and he said. "man, what the f-ck, cooking is woman's job, you are man, let us watch the game"(soccer or football as you say in europe). And it is not like cooking is a hobby, I do other activities like ski, scuba, fishing, and hunting. But this is normal for me. I am of East Indian origin , but American born/raised, so when I was younger, my mom showed me how to do stuff in the ktichen. Both my ex and the current girl liked what I made, and they made good food too. Anyway, so can anyone answer my question ? I am just curious.
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Answer:
It is sexy when a man cooks well, as for me, and I guess it is so from a female’s point of view anywhere in the world. Concerning East Europe, to be more precise, it is not really ‘un-masculine’ for a man to cook, but it has been considered a ‘must’ for a woman to be a good house keeper and cook well, those stereotypes were very strong for older generations. BUT… because the majority of modern East European girls and women are really so smart, beautiful, slim and also intelligent, ‘real women’ as you called them, they are looking for ‘real men’! a real man, who can do different things as you George, do, who is independent, can feed himself at least, and also can take care of a woman, without making much fuss out of it. As there are not so many men of such kind in East Europe, unfortunately, girls and women are looking for West European or American men. Have a glimpse at any dating site, and you’ll make sure. Of course, things have changed – for some people, or haven’t changed for some others. In general, yes ‘Final Round’ is right, speaking about the mass culture, ‘hands down’ – a perfect description of the younger male generation, but I’m not sure such type will survive long, if all beautiful girls from East Europe fling to the west! :)) I haven’t passed good housewife’s skills as a priority virtue to my daughter, she makes her own successful career and I don’t think she’ll be ever interested in a guy who can’t even cook or take care of himself and needs a special pampering him attachment. Depending on the social level, there are more men in East Europe nowadays who treasure their wives if they respect themselves, and cooking is not a problem but a very creative process, isn’t it? :)
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Both of my parents are from Russia (different parts), and I was born and raised in America. With that said, I do not believe that what you do is in any way "un-masculine." In fact, if I were dating a guy who would do that, that would simply make me love him even more. I suppose it depends on what part of Eastern Europe someone is from, as well as how that person was raised. I do know that individuals from specific parts of Russia/Europe are quite stern in regard to male and female social roles, particularly when it comes to cooking, cleaning, and the like. However, things have changed and some people (especially males who would like the wife to do everything) refuse to accept that, thereby passing these ideas on to their children. Personally, I despise when people say things like the 19 year old brother, or even the two girls, said. Men and women are equals now (or at least they should be). If things were like they were 1,000 years ago, we'd still be using candles as light sources and pooping in a hole in the ground. All I can say is continue to do exactly what you're doing. Smart women will appreciate it and love you more for it. Hope that helps :-)
weirdstuff2
I am married to a spoiled Hungarian that has lived most of his life in the states. We go visit Hungary often. My brother-in-law(in Hungary) does dishes and helps clean the house. I don't believe he did this when he was first married over 40 years now but around 20 years ago he started helping his wife with housework.( All of the family was shocked about this and talked about them behind their backs like she had " wimped" him out or something." I believe she had some sort of breakdown and it scared him since he cares about her. I have noticed that in almost every household I have been in with two eastern Europeans, the women does seem to do all of the housework and also hold down a full time job. I think it is cultural for the women to show what good homemakers they are. My son married a Hungarian girl and their apt. was a pig sty. I had to go over and clean it up after they moved out so that they could get their deposit back on the place. My husband has only done the dishes a handful of times in the past 35 years,he can fix a broken washing machine but he doesn't know how to turn it on. Most eastern European men seem to enjoy cooking once in awhile although I dout if they would cook every day.They would rather eat some bread and cold meat then to cook everyday. My father was born in Poland and he never cleaned or did any housework, he only cooked a very few times and it was Polish dishes that he thought only he could fix right.We had to make a big deal about his cooking or he would be upset. I do find that eastern European men do their share of what they call" mens" work.I never have to fix anything broken or work on a car or carry heavy things. In any case, I think it is cultural for the women to feel needed and take care of their man although many younger people are leaning more in western ways and sharing the work load. To answer your question directly, yes, if you are in eastern Europe, it is sort of seen as weak for a man to do housework unless he lives alone, of course if you aren't living in eastern Europe,it shouldn't matter.
Marilyn T
Weirdstu said: "things have changed" That is FALSE. She must be a fat American woman that calls herself "Russian" when she has no accent or can't even speak Russian. NOTHING has changed in Eastern Europe contrary to idiots. I lived there for 8 years all over as a government contractor and the culture is VERY MASCULINE, and women even young women are expected to cook and clean. Men are told not to make a mess or give a hard time for the woman. Also Marilyn is WRONG too. I seen younger men and women couples,. and frankly speaking, the younger men are even worse than the older men when it comes to daily household duties. They seem to listen to western music pretty well, but when it comes to cleaning and sweeping the floor, the young men especially in a country like Romania, have that reaction like that 19 year old punk kid, you mentioned. They pus-y out and run. The older men at least knew how to change a light bulb or fill their car(if they owned one) with gas, but the younger men can't even do that right. The 19 yr old American boys fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan sure make better men in taking care of themselves than any 19 yr boy from Eastern Europe and Russia. Hands down. I worked in Afghanistan fo 6 months, and the Romanian troops there get no respect form even the Afghan National Army. That shows how bad they really are. Eastern Europe and Russia are not going to change that much because the culture is dominated by men for centuries, and the women always seek their leadership and approval. You have to read their history to get an idea of how complicated their culture is. It's not as masculine as Asia or Mid-East, but it's more masculine than the United States or Western Europe. So I suggest buddy, you partially follow their cultural norms, but don't give up cooking, cause hey, you are gonna get the best sex in you life, and Romanian women know how to f your brains out.
final round
well yea alotta eastern cultures consider it un masculine but if its the way you are, dont change all your doing is being considerate of others...
reeseepiecie
omg, I read the answers and weep... so full of non-appreciative (and false) cultural stereotypes...
florina
Yep, pretty stereotypical. I mean the examples, not the answer. But those stereotypes are not wrong. Over a thousand years a russian woman has been cooking, doing dishes, cleaning the house and other stuff like that, while a man was a worker, at the same time carpenter, plumbing specialist etc. And it stayed the same up till now. Now we can see women as managers, directors, even workers(care to guess where it came from?). Of course they have no time to cook! And the number of male cooks(as a profession) is increasing, because it's a job nonetheless, you can always make something to eat for yourself and almost every woman likes when you pay attention to her(see: prepare food). But when it comes to an ordinary russian woman, I'm afraid cooking is one of few things she's good at. So don't take it away from her(unless you really want to make a drama). Though they cook and wash and clean they are still saying 'I'm sick of it! [enter a verb]-ing all day and night and all you do is watch your stupid TV and can't even nail/fix/buy...' That is so common. Don't care what other people think. If you and your close ones like it, then there's nothing wrong with it. If not, well, there's always a compromise.
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