How can anyione claim that Israeal stole land, that Jews have always been living on?
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The antisemites claim that the Jews supposedly "stole the land. But; There was NEVER a time since G-d gave the land to the the Jews that Jews haven't been living there? The first non Jew to move in, only moved in on land that Jews were already living on, so how can Jews "steal" the land they are ALREADY living on? Obviously the Jews did not steal the land, it was stolen FROM them. Some will say there weren't ENOUGH Jews, so according to them anyone living alone in a house looses it legally if two other force their way in and start living there, because they now outnumber the homeowner. That makes no sense. Others say "who cares about ancient claims they don't matter". there are two problems wrong with that argument. #1 This isn't just ancient claims. It is about Jews STILL BEING there when anyone else started moving in. #2 If old claims mean nothing then those now wanting Israel to stop existing so they can get the land have no claim since old claims mean nothing, according to them.
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Haute the majority of Israelis are from the Middle East & their families were never in Europe. #2 If old claims mean nothing then those now wanting Israel to stop existing so they can get the land have no claim since old claims mean nothing, according to them. That's the one that's convincing for me. Most of the Arabs moved in AFTER Jews started developing the area more. It was East Bank (now Jordan) that had population. West of Jordan River was desolate with just a few pockets of communities mixed with Armenians, Chrisitans, Muslims, Druze, Beduion, & Jews. Jews lived in ancient communities there, bought more land with money for deeds, formed a country structure for a democracy... got in line with everyone else when countries were being handed out in the early to mid 1900's, went through the international community (UN), had enough population for need to be there for form something for them, then won in war. THAT is how countries were formed, including Syria, Jordan (reward Hashomite family), Pakistan (bloody people exchange), many African countries... The problem is in the Middle East, for many Arabs at the time, it should be ruled only by Arab Muslims. They've been keeping Palestinians riled up to fight that war still & telling tall tales (about stealing)... but THAT is what they are fighting about. To them it is stolen - from this goal. ==================== Watch all the manipulations come up... They'll claim Jews aren't Jews but Europeans. First Judaism isn't a race or ethnicity so it's irrelevant. They are using Hitler's definition of a Jew -- same Hitler they fought with in WWII. Second, DNA has proven Jews genetically do tend to link to middle east. Check out the kazhari link someone gave, but go to the very, very bottom - they are trying to disprove Jewish connection & the strongest they can get is that Kazhar element is insignificant & other elements are more significant. When they finally sum up the dna they can't avoid saying it inspite of all the other stuff on that page. The archeology is undisputed by everyone except those against Israel - in the Middle East. Jews have been praying to Jerusalem in their prayers for 2000 years, & at the wall the same time. There are writings about it throughout history, private letters of Rabbis to family, secular books referencing it, Church references to it.... The trick in Michelan's numbers below is that he's including East Bank (Jordan) & not just areas given to Israel. He's also ignoring that Ottoman empire owned the area & it's residences were the same as Arabs as elsewhere - not a separate "people." Those collective Arabs got most of the Middle East & 22 countries. So one sliver for Jews from all over the Middle East is not too much to ask. About the same # of Jews were evicted from Arab countries & came to Israel, as Arabs leaving the area. Also, Jews enjoy free speech. Jews discuss at length things from every angle. Finding one writer with an different thesis, doesn't make it true. It makes them free to talk. You have to look at counter arguments before believing anything. However, those coming from less open societies tend to take Jewish writings & claim "it's true or a valid point" because a Jew wrote it. Nonsense. We listen to our nuttier people -- never know where the next good thought will come from. Haaretz is known as a bit of a gossip rag, not good journalism. Take it's articles as that.
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boring, the current Israelis are europeans who converted to Judaism. they arent the native canaan settlers of that land. However the palestinians are.
Haute Couture
First of all it's Native American not American Indians. They would be offended if you use that term. They are not from India so it's ignorant. And no you can't compare the zionists with Native Americans. Native Americans don't have one thing in their history of invading what's now America and killing and oppressing people, so forget it. Are you denying (AGAIN) in history that Jews didn't invade, steal and kill Canaananites? From the time of the Babylonians, the Israelites started to be DEPORTED out of that area. After new empires invaded, more were exiled (like the saying "what goes around, comes around") and ended up in Europe. So NO, they were not always there. If they were always in Palestine, then why were the majority of jews in Europe? And are you people denying again that the zionists didn't abolish and force people out of their homes? If people who are not arabs or muslims know that, how is it that you and the dandy above don't know that? If what is said have been lies, then they would not be reported by reliable sources. Criticizing Israel for what they are doing to people is not antisemitism. You seem to confuse zionists with jews. I know the difference so why can't you? There are jews who are against the existence of israel. How old are you?
Incognito
To answer you,Yes we all know that the Jews did not steal the land of Israel from anyone, it has been theres for over 3000 years.The Arabs are just cowards who have always throughout History have always wanted to destroy all the Jews.So now they have come out with allegations that the Jews have stollen their land, but it has never belonged to any Arabs It has been proven over and over again, that Palestinian Arab nationalism is largely a post-World War I phenomenon that did not become a significant political movement until after the 1967 Six-Day War and Israel's capture of the West Bank.Check world history prior to its re-writing by Arabs in the 20th and 21st Centuries and you'll discover that Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region currently referred to as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, Islamic and Christian crusaders (i.e., terrorists), the Ottoman Empire and Great Britain after World War I. The British agreed to restore part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by, or awarded to, Arabs as a separate nation.But don't just take my word for it, according to Arab leaders there is no such thing as the "Palestinian" people.On March 31, 1977 the Dutch newspaper Trouw published an interview with Palestine Liberation Organization executive committee member Zahir Muhsein. His statements were also later published in the Boston Herald and you'll find them at various Internet sites as well. Here's what he said: The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct "Palestinian people" to oppose Zionism. For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa, while as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan.In other words, Jordan is Palestine. Jordanians and Palestinians are Arabs. The Arabs deserve an Academy Award for their ability to create a fictional world in which they are victims of oppression at the hands of Israel and the U.S., deceiving the West by preying on their value for human life - a value not evident in their own culture. The stealing of the land from them is one of the biggest lies and propaganda, how can the Jews steal a land from them, that was never theres to begin with.
dandyl
There are simple facts need to be stated here 1# If you speak about old times or (biblical times )you sure know that there were people living on this land before ,with ,and after the jews . Jews made a very small percentage of the people living there and they got there by force . 2@As for modern times its not Israelites or Jews it was European zionist colonialists since the the Jews who were true people of the area were already there but the problem was with those leaving Russia ,Germany ,U.S etc and coming to STEAL our land and MURDER our families @@@so you see your claims are baseless both in old or modern times @jd...now you simply saying Israelis got there ,they have the land,and power therefore they have the right..???? If you were smart enough to read a little and understand you will know that power tends to move and swing it never stayed in one place ..
samy
People can claim whatever they want, but the reality is that Israel exists as a sovereign nation and those that claim otherwise have only the "too little, too late" argument and no state of their own. Israel took a play from America's playbook by letting the Palestinians open a casino (a la the Native Americans), but they screwed it up. http://www.israelnewsagency.com/plocasino.html
Arieh
Your history is true but doesn't change reality. The land is owned by who holds it. I don't care how many Pagans have lived there before or after Abraham Israel belongs to the Israeli's because they hold it now. They have a mandate to hold it. It is theirs to hold. They have a right to hold it in peace regardless of what their want. My bible tells me they will hold it. The rest is just background.
jd
If your arguments made sense then the American Indians, Aztecs in Mexico, along with a host of other descendants throughout the world can make the same claims. I'm not speaking for or against their having Israel again but the argument can be made that they took land away from people who were living there for centuries.
Your question is very funny to me. Jews have lived amongst Arabs thats true MOST were Arabs. Even the Jewish BIBLE says that the Messiah is suppose to give the Jews the land! Has he come yet? NOPE Jews STOLE the land that is why there are many ANTI- Zionist Jews!!! They stole the land and YOU know it. GOD doesn't hand out real estate cards.
Brutal Honesty!
The Jew G-d has nothing to do with our God. We sing songs in His name but the jews are afraid even to spell his name. Don't you forget that just after the jews killed Jesus, He cursed them and their descendants real bad. Oh c'mon it's all in the Good Book Jr. Email me your address and I'll mail you a copy. Free. No charge. I swear. I am truthin' dude. No money. A gift from me to you. .חינם Steel out
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