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rugby pros vs NFL players- could they switch, and how would a match-up look? im a fan of both sports. first of all, the people arguing over which is "tougher" and that the other sport is "soft" are idiotic..i can assure you both are very physically demanding, very rough, very brutal, and very challenging. im american, my main sport is definitely football. im a starting WR for the florida high school 6A state champions, but ive always messed around with rugby. last year i visited friends in new zealand who play nationally organized rugby junior league [we were all about 16] and played a full game against 2 actual teams [obviously an unofficial game] so i do know what im talking about. anyway, im asking a few things: 1. how would a top rugby pro do in the NFL and vice versa; how would they do switched? 2. if the all blacks [ elite world rugby team] played green bay packers in a game of rugby AND football, which side would do better in the other sport? first for players, i think there are definitely a few who could switch relatively quickly and plausibly make the active roster, and a few who would even do well as starters. for example, jonah lomu was a rugby player. hes about 6'4.5, 275 pounds with VERY little fat [looks like a WR] and ran an estimated 4.5 40...now i bet he could make a damn decent MLB at the NFL level after a little training. likewise, im sure bo jackson could succeed in any sport where he picks up a ball and runs past defenders! both top NFLers and rugbyers are big, strong, and fast. if you're 250 pounds and can run 100m in under 11 sec, you're going to be good i na physical game like football/rugby. the players would have an advantage over non-players of identical size/speed in that they do have some experience playing a somewhat similar game. that being said, rugby and footbal are more different than you think. the rules and gameplay arent really that parallel- they're two very distinct sports. im 6'3, 225 pounds, run a 4.39 laser 40 [fastest in state] and have full scholarship offers from UF, alabama, UM, georgia and nebraska. so im pretty good. but when i played that rugby game in new zealand, i was the worst guy on the field, and by no means overpowered anyone. and trust me, rugby tackles can be REALLY hard! following the rules was hard enough, and even when i figured it out, i wasnt very good. however, i was able to score using my speed/catching...i was the fastest by a mile, they were amazed at my speed. here are some problems each team might face: FOOTBALL players problems playing rugby: -endurance: stanima would be a serious problem for NFL guys, rugby players are unquestionably superior in stamina. - skill: overall i must admit rugby takes a little bit more learned skill and ability - versatility: in rugby, players must serve more roles and be able to adjust far more quickly. everyone WILL touch the bill multiple times in the game. NFL RUGBY players problems playing football: - hits: sorry rugbyers, football hits ARE harder. those pads are necessary- being really tough isnt enough, you WILL be injured if you're hit football style without pads. rugby tackles arent soft either, but they'd be in for a rude awakening. -specialization: NFLers are REAALLLY good at the position they play because its all they play. having a balanced team lile rugby wouldnt work, you'd need to be individually equal to NFLs in specific positions -speed: yes, football pauses alot, but pace of gameplay is MUCH faster...lightning speed. rugby players havent seen gameplay that fast. NFL players are definitely faster to. -size/strength: gotta give NFL slight edge in size strength, especially linemen. so lets say the green bay packers and all blacks played a game of rugby, and a game of football. obviously each would win their own sport, but who would do better in the "other" sport? im know im biased, but i gotta go with NFL doing the better job. i dont see rugby defense having any clue how to stop 30 yard passes to WR, and NFL would score at will. rugby offense playing football might score with runs short passes, but adjusting would be too difficult. in the rugby game, NFL would lose, but i think everyone in a while a speedy WR or RB could run one in. again, put a ball in bo jacksons hand and he'll make magic. the fast NFL defense could give the rugby offense more trouble then they'd expect
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Really? Do you see honestly see any NFL player having the slightest chance of going for the full eighty minutes? Without a breather after every tackle and without endless substitutions? These guys have spent a lifetime training for a sport played in 5 second bursts, and they are great for those five seconds. But cardio is not exactly high on their training priorities list. And do you really see any NFL runner coping with an offense where there is no blocking and offloading during the tackle is utterly critical to run a successful offense. Bo Jackson might be great -- until he went down. Then it would be a turnover every time as he would have absolutely no offloading skills. The fact of the matter is that both sports are so completely different -- and take a lifetime of training to compete at an elite level -- that each team would be utterly hopeless at the other sport. Forget the All-Blacks. Any fourth-level English semi-pro club would crush the Packers in a rugby match. As would any Division III NCAA college team crush the All-Blacks at American football should they find themselves on a gridiron pitch. So my question is why compare rugby and gridiron? You might as well choose basketball and ice hockey. It makes as much sense. Edit: @ Levi-68. No -- I'm afraid not. A first string NFL RB couldn't play international rugby, if only because they have no on-the-fly kicking skills -- which, by the way, take a lifetime of training to acquire. What is your first string RB going to do under a high ball inside his own 22 with a chaser in his face? He can't run it out (no blockers) nor can he kick it away (no skills). What would happen is the runner would get swarmed, turn the ball over, and give up a try. Every time!
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That's a BIG question! I have played rugby all my life, and American football for about 7 years, so I too have a decent background to answer this question. Quite simply, the level of specialisation and training a player needs to put in to play at either NFL or international rugby level is so great that neither could really switch with any degree of success. The only players who seem able to switch codes are the AFL players who go into the NFL as punters, and then only because that one skill is transferable (to some degree). Given the time and inclination, I am sure some players could transfer, but I don't think it would be worth it in the long run - as they would be relative rookies going up against guys who had played the game since they were children. You would be looking at the guys who are superb athletes to start with, guys like Sonny Bill Williams, Pierre Spies, David Pocock, Adrian Peterson, Greg Jennings, Clay Matthews (yeah I'm a Packers fan, whatever!). Would it be worth unlearning a lifetime worth of lessons to go from being a star in one sport to merely competent in another? I doubt many players would think so - and yet who knows? EDIT Levi, your argument is pointless; you are comparing American Football with American Rugby. Would this guy have made a Super rugby team? He definitely wouldn't have made the All Blacks. You are comparing apples with oranges. Two guys in my Gridiron team played for Australia at the American Football world cup. Neither of them are able to crack first grade in their Soccer or AFL clubs, why? Because here in Australia, we play Rugby, Soccer and AFL at a high level, gridiron at a much lower level. In America you play Gridiron at a high level, rugby at a much lower level. Apples and oranges
Andrew
NFL players by majority are; faster (guys running 4.1 over forty on every team), stronger (hundreds of players benching 750lbs and squatting 800lbs) and bigger (linebackers average 6'4 250lbs, lineman 6'6 350lbs) and most of the NFL is comprised of African Americans who are naturally & genetically gifted athletes who have dominated all physical sports from the time they were given permission to compete in white man sports! The only thing Rugby players trump NFL players in is overall endurance & stamina. Rugby is played at 75% at a non-stop pace, but no-one is ever going 100%. NFL is played at 100% from play to play utilising fast twitch muscle fibers. NFL football is way more high impact, high collision than Rugby and it would take Rugby players a long time to adjust to getting hit that hard. It would also be hard for NFL players to adjust to non-stop football. I think NFL players are in general better all-round athletes and are the best money can buy (the fact that 1 NFL team is worth more than several pro Rugby teams certainly gives the NFL an advantage in scouting and buying anyone in the world they think could cut it) bottom line is it could be done but with great difficulty.
Napes
Comparing the sports is ludicrous, one is all about endurance and all round skill the other is all about speed and individual skill base ie one is big another fast etc That said NFL players would struggle with the absolute lack of tackling technique. With their lead with the head technique and dive at the knees in their "more physical" less brains way of bringing an opponent down they would get knocked out within two minutes. Rugby players would struggle with a lack of size in general although if they did not have to worry about cardio and just weights or speed i am sure they would adjust. But the real question is why do NFL fans have to come on to a rugby site to justify their supposed dominance....insecure much.
Taraboy
Alright, here's a little scope. Mike MacDonald, one of the better props in Rugby and possibly the best player in America's team history started his career as an athlete playing american football. He went to college to play AF, but never actually got to play because he wasn't big, strong, athletic, aggressive, or fast enough to play even COLLEGE football. That's why he picked up Rugby. Imagine an NFL player playing Rugby, he'd dominate. Of course, guys like Jonah Lomu or the Tuilagi brothes are probably big, strong and athletic to make it to the NFL, but the third string RB on most NFL teams could play international rugby.
Levi
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