Question about applying for health insurance?

Health insurance question? Looking for insurance agents to answer please.?

  • Assume all these facts are true; give honest answers please, no jokes! or lectures..... Stan, in his twenties, is unemployed. His insurance ended when he lost his job. Because Stan is obese, the only health insurance his parents found that would accept him is charging alot of money extra (this is real health insurance, not a "discount plan for people with pre-existing conditions" plan. Stan doesn't have any health problems yet because of his weight such as diabetes, etc. However, the deductible is very high, it is either 2,500 or 5,000 dollars per year, I forgot what the parents said. They bought the insurance in case he gets hurt, is hospitalized and racks up several thousand dollars in debt. The problem is, when he first got the insurance he had quit smoking cigarettes for a couple of months and is insured as a non-smoker, however, he started smoking again, somewhere in the range of under a pack a day. But worse, he smokes marijuana daily, since he was 15. My question is, if he goes to the doctor for anything, the first $5000 isn't covered at all, he doesn't have a co-payment, correct? And, if he did rack up a huge bill at the hospital, would the insurance company have tests run on him to find out if he has cigarettes and marijuana in his system to get out of paying the bill after the deductible? That's what I think they'll do, anyway, So, is it a complete waste of money to even buy insurance for him? If he gets diabetes, the insurance company won't pay for any of the supplies until it reaches $5000 anyway, right? (Yes, I know his parents should tell him to lose weight, quit smoking, etc. but how do you force someone to do that?) His friends buy him cigarettes and marijuana, the tradeout is he fixes their cars, in case you're wondering. Please advise. BTW, throwing him out is not an option. He is their only child and he is spoiled.

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    Keeping in mind all the details you mentioned, I’m going to address your questions one at a time. First, you asked, “If he goes to the doctor for anything, the first $5000 isn't covered at all, he doesn't have a co-payment, correct?” The answer: Not necessarily. If you’re talking about major medical services like hospitalization or surgery or something of that order, then you’re probably right. But if he’s going in for a checkup or for some other form of preventive care, he may only have to pay a copayment. Rules will vary from one plan to another, but not all medical services are subject to a deductible. As a result of health care reform, certain preventive care screenings are now covered on new plans without any out-of-pocket cost for the insured person, even if the deductible is not met. Your second question was, “Would the insurance company have tests run on him to find out if he has cigarettes and marijuana in his system to get out of paying the bill after the deductible?” This is unlikely. Insurance companies don’t typically order tests of the sort you’re suggesting. Now, if he was seen for a condition potentially caused by cigarette smoking and it came out that he was a recent smoker at the time he applied for coverage, that could be a problem. Most health insurance applications will ask if a person has been a smoker in the past 12 months. If he only quit for a couple months, then he lied on the application. That could cost him in the end. On the other hand, if he had been a non-smoker for 12 months or more and then started smoking again, well, purchasing health insurance does not involve making a pledge never to become a smoker. Lastly, you asked, “So, is it a complete waste of money to even buy insurance for him?” No, it’s not. First of all, like I said, there may be preventive care services available to him even before his deductible is met. Secondly, any number of possible things that could happen. He could get seriously ill, for instance. He could have an accident and need hospitalization or surgery. Any of those events could result in bills well in excess of $5000. Being covered could still make the difference between having a financial future and not having a financial future.

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Do you only see the two extremes of kicking your child out, or let them be a spoiled brat while you pay all their bills for them? Billions of people dont have medical insurance. He will survive, or pay for it himself. And when he gets sick, he can take him self to the minute clinic with his own money or suffer, because thats what adults do, and he can do that without being kicked out. Although, if i were the parent, i would start doing some serious reading on how to unlearn the habits you have been teaching him.

The insurance company cannot have tests run on him. Hospitals are only allowed to run tests if there is a valid medical reason for the test. Even if they did find out that he resumed smoking, it would not matter. The actual problem is that he had only quit for a few months. The non-smoker rate is only for someone who went a whole year without smoking. However, only what happened before the person got the policy matters. The only reason that he does not qualify for non-smoker rates is because he smoked only a few months before he got it, not because he smoked after he got it. The best thing would be to get a new policy and pay smoker rates. The only reason that you need to do that is because he smoked less than a year before he got this policy. Otherwise, he could smoke now and pay non-smoker rates, and the insurance would still have to cover his bills. If he has to go to the hospital, then $5000 is a very tiny part of the bill. The insurance company would have to pay most of the hospital bill.

StephenWeinstein

Correct, there's no copayment, because the first $5,000 is entirely out of his own pocket. If Stan lied on the application about smoking, it can void coverage. It's not "getting out of the bill", if Stan is the guy that went into this dishonestly. Your insurance is only as honest as you are. If you lie, you potentially void coverage. It's not a waste of money to buy insurance for him. If he trips on the stairs and breaks an ankle and needs $50,000 of surgery followed by $25,000 of physical therapy, they'll be darned glad to have that insurance.

mbrcatz

a) If he quit smoking for a "few" months and then bought the policy, then he lied on the application. If he quit for 12, then he didn't. Whether he started smoking again AFTER the policy was issued is immaterial. Also, some companies don't ask whether you smoker and/or don't charge extra for it. So, depending on the company that might not make a difference...at least for the cigarettes. b) We have no idea what plan he bought, so NOBODY here would have any idea whether he has coverage during the deductible. He could have office copays that are not subject to the deductible. He could have a separate (and much smaller) drug deductible. My advice is to let him and his parents worry about it. If you're his friend, then you could encourage him to do things that will keep him around a lot longer.

Insurance Pickle.com

You are pretty much on target...yes the deductible means that the first whatever ($2,500 or $5,000) comes out of Stan's/parents' pocket (unless of course there are some covered services - many high deductible plans also cover routine doctor's visits for "wellness" checkups - its cheaper to keep someone healthy than to pay the big bucks for a hospital visit - Stan's parents would need to read the coverage brochure for this). If Stan was to be hospitalized and had blood work, unless there is some factor that suggests cigarette smoking, it is doubtful the insurer would have a test run for cigarette smoking, although the marijuana may show up depending on what tests are run. If for some reason indications of cigarettes are found, yes the insurer will deny the claim. As for the last, being spoiled doesn't preclude being thrown out...although the parents have to make that decision.

Steve D

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