If *some* of the men here only dislike feminists and not *real* women, and most women aren't feminists,?

"Feminism" for many men, is merely "essence of woman distilled." And yes, many (but not all) use their antipathy of women as the basis for their hatred of feminism.

The answer given by Mister Objective sums up the hatred for feminism on this forum. They go on and on and on about naughty feminists ruining their lives. Somehow, women's rights gets in the way of their daily lives. But have you noticed that they never actually say they like women or respect them. Never do they say that they believe in equal rights. No - just on and on about naughty feminists. So they hate women and because some of them are complete cowards and jump on the feminist-hating bandwagon, they can't come right out and say they hate women. They disguise their hatred through spewing about feminism which they seem to be utter experts on the subject. But never has one man on this forum ever said they like or respect women. And the latest MRA trick is to now say that feminists are attacking non-feminist women. Oh the crap. Just come out and bloody say you hate all women. Cowards. Gays and bisexuals get more respect apparently.

i'm not a feminist or anything but it kinda angered me when i saw on the news that women are still to this day being paid less than men for doing the exact same job (in some work places) .. thats not right.

Because they really do dislike women in general. It's plain as day. They will go on and on about "feminists," but then occasionally forget to put "feminists" and slip up and put "women." Same rant as usual, they were just really honest for once. Basically the guys that believe that have terrible luck with women. They either attract the wrong kind, or can't attract any at all, so they are bitter. People like that are loath to blame their failings on themselves, it's always "There are no good women/men" "All women/men are the same" "There's nobody worth dating..." etc, etc. Eventually, those people are going to need to figure out that there is NO WAY that it's "everybody else." IT'S YOU!!! YOUR attitude, YOUR prejudice, YOUR unwillingness to accept your own faults while being impossibly critical of the faults in others. --YOU-- ARE THE REASON WHY YOU CAN'T FIND ANYONE! I had a friend with this same attitude (female). I had to finally be honest with her, and tell her that it wasn't "every guy on the planet" (or in the U.S, or in the West, whatever) it was HER. So, to whoever wrote that and to whoever has that same attitude: "No really, it's YOU."

I think they do like like "real" women. But their idea of real women are the ones who are needy, aren't too bright, too assertive, or in general not too uppity.

So true. I've seen the MRA types trying to argue that, then they post things like "why are all women such *****" and destroy families? "Why are women such goldiggers?" "Why are women unwilling to admit men are smarter?" I don't see how they can pretend they are pro-women, they use every opportunity to insult women. Then they try to divide women, saying feminists are out to get them. I don't call other women ******. Please.

Their answers spoke volumes and not a one of them made a peep about feminists. They deny they hate women, post crap non stop about females and pretend to want equality. I have seen this as a load of crap from the onset. It is not hard to read between the lines and see that each of these males want a women to abuse and treat like a second class citizen. Glad you showed them for what they truly are.

Some don't distinguish between feminist women and women and some just don't care that there is a difference (look at Mr Objective who seems like an out and out misogynist due to his 'I HATE WOMEN' comment (and not objective at all ironically!)) I think it's sad that most men think that women in society are favoured over men these days and therefore take it out on women. I hope I find a man who will love and respect me and not feel it is a competition to decide which sex has it better. I am not a feminist but an equalist and I hate being generalised. If I were to say I was a feminist the guys would 'hate me' and think I'm one of those feminist monsters and when I say I'm not a feminist girls automatically assume that I am a doormat and let guys treat me like nothing. What I will say though is that I really don't care what others think about my beliefs. On GWS there always tends to be more people with the more extreme views and hopefully in life there is a wider cross section of people who can look at things from both perspectives and love a person of the opposite sex as a person as well as a member of the opposite gender.

I'm curious as to why you think a feminist is not a real woman. I am a feminist, and I am certainly a genuine woman.