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Isn't "Who Created God" a flawed argument?

  • OK, I have seen many people on here try to prove god's existance by asking who created the universe, etc. They derive this argument from the conservation of mass: matter cannot be created or desroyed. Now, I am not saying this is a good argument, but it actually DOES have "some" merit (unloike other creationist arguments) because, well, as far as science has proved so far matter can NOT be created or destroyed. However, atheists respond by saying "well who created God?" Well, God has no matter, so how can this argument be related? Isn't that like asking who created the empty space between atoms? Did outer space (except for the occasional hydrogen atom) NEED to be created? Wasn't it already there? Does an absence of mass need a beginning? No. SO we have some objects (the universe) which we know have not always existed. We know it was created ~13 Billion years ago, and we don't know where it was before then. And we have the empty space between atoms which has always existed, and will always exist, because it is massless and therefore needs no beginning. So, atheists can not believe in God, and I'm fine with that. But don't stoop so low as to use such a terrible argument. SOme things have always been, some not. Am I missing something here? I don't think so, but maybe I am.

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    Actually, the "who created god" argument stems from the theological argument that everything has a creator. And then the person goes on to qualify it by saying "except god" with no proof to back up either of those statements. I agree, it doesn't really work with the conservation of energy/mass argument, but then, no one said that non-creationists couldn't use flawed arguments.

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If God has no mass, no energy - does he exist?

Z1LL/\, PBF*

If god has no matter, and is not energy (and as far as we know, there is no such thing as sentient energy), then he does not exist in any rational sense.

David Carrington Jr.

"simply against the argument that something without mass or energy needs a beginning or an end." But something without energy wouldn't be able to do anything.

Ode to the Damned® ÆA NR

Now try tackling the issue of how something without mass or energy can possibly have any effect whatsoever on mass or energy, or on the universe for example.

toogethr

"God has no matter" is, for all intents and purposes, an identical statement to "God does not exist." I appreciate your original thought, but this is a load of nonsense. The "creationist" argument goes: An "actual infinite" cannot exist. Therefore the universe must be finite, and must have had a beginning, and therefore a cause. So far so good. But they naturally proceed to identify this Cause with "God," and with the Judeo-Christian God in particular, although there is not the flimsiest excuse for doing so even within the context of their argument. But then the further question "What created God?" is absolutely pertinent, since they've only introduced "God" to account for the origin of the universe. Unfortunately, their inevitable answer, "God is eternal," is an evident refutation of the very premise upon which they've erected their entire argument! (I.e. that an "actual infinite" cannot exist.) I mean, you can define "God" as the exception to all the rules you've followed to arrive at that definition, but that seems rather cheap sport. But that's what theists typically do - they rename their ignorance "God," and then sit back and fold their arms and act pleased with themselves, as if they've actually explained something. You can't blame others for calling them out on this.

JonJon, Cake Factory

how do you know god doesn't have any matter? I'm an atheist but I am open to all ideas and i respect other people's opinions on His existence.... But to me you're looking down a small funnel and not seeing the whole picture, unless you've met/seen god, I doubt you know whether or not he has any matter....

lovesonsale

in the begining, there was nothing... but in physics, even nothing is unstable, and when ''nothing'' is unstable, bubbles form... they expand rapidly and thats the big bang... hope that might help, try to post this in the science section next time if u want a real answer!

Offshore

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Mike

Any argument that presupposes the existence of God is flawed. But if a creationist uses the old nonsensical argument: "If there's no God, then who created the universe?" then it's perfectly reasonable to respond with "Okay then, who created God?" to point out the glaring gap of logic in that position. If everything has to have a creator to exist, then, if God exists, he must also have a creator. And if God has no beginning and no end, then why can't that be true of matter and energy? Perfectly sound reasoning. You say "God has no matter"... well, how do you know? Does it say that somewhere in the Bible? Is there some empirical evidence to that effect?

Furious Blue

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