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  • Some people believe that there has to be something out there that created us humans because logically we had to have start somewhere. This is very true but what make you believe that it is your God that created you? What I mean by this is what makes you think God made humans so directly? What makes you think that this designer is human like or that it thinks? Couldn’t it have been a thing that generates actions and that was infinite? Finally couldn’t the concept of God be Just this “thing” that generates actions? I guess I am asking for you to stop regurgitating what your parents have told you and what you think you feel and think of how arrogant the concept of God, creating us, is. The universe is to immense to have been created for us. We are just a minuscule part of it. Don’t you think? I have been accused of making an accusation. This question is to make people think of God in a different way. I think religion is a very touchy subject a many people will get offended. This was not my intention. Try to have an open mind when you read this. The Question is written in a why to grab attention not disrespect. Sorry for having offended anyone.

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    God is nowhere near human like. As stated in the Quran "there is nothing like the likeness of Him"(Ch42V11). We are not able to comprehend God. But also as Muslims we beleive that everyone ever born is born with the fitrah (natural state). Fitrah- normal and the natural inclination to believe in and submit to the Creator(God). No matter what we beleive or dont beleive in we all fall under this category. If you really look back at all the times you were in danger who did you turn to by saying "Oh God help me" probably without even realizing it.This comes from the natural state we are all born on.

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God is nowhere near human like. As stated in the Quran "there is nothing like the likeness of Him"(Ch42V11). We are not able to comprehend God. But also as Muslims we beleive that everyone ever born is born with the fitrah (natural state). Fitrah- normal and the natural inclination to believe in and submit to the Creator(God). No matter what we beleive or dont beleive in we all fall under this category. If you really look back at all the times you were in danger who did you turn to by saying "Oh God help me" probably without even realizing it.This comes from the natural state we are all born on.

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Is the universe immense? Or is it all a grand hoax? How can you prove the universe is infinite? For all we know, we live in a cage. Ever see the matrix? BTW, some theorize the universe is in fact NOT infinite. Rather ever expanding.

rob

I agree with you, although I would suggest that it is not arrogance that leads people to assume God is in some way akin to us--the whole "created in His image" thing--but rather fear. The concept of God was created not as a tool for opression or control (remember, God predates religion) but rather as an attempt to explain the unknown and to reassure us that death is not final. Man is the only animal which lives with the knowledge of his own mortality. We created God in OUR image so that we had something understandable to look to for support and comfort. All mythologies used deities based on something familiar--be it human, or in some cases animal, because that made the unknown less frightening. And since as you say the need to have a beginning point is a logical necessity, and since it is highly unlikely we'll ever truly pinpoint what that beginning point is, it is not necessarily arrogant to pick the most comforting arbitrary choice. Both God as a beginning and the Big Bang are arbitrary points chosen on the infinite regress slippery slope, one being more faith-based, and one being more mechanical. Neither stand up to any serious pushing. "What made God?" causes just as much trouble as "What made the big ball of matter?" To choose either of those points is arbitrary. God is a concept all mankind has carried around for as long as we were self-aware enough to know we would die. RELIGION is a completely different concept, and it is RELIGION--a codified set of beliefs and regulations BASED on what someone else SAYS this GOD wants us to do and how it wants us to behave, and what will happen to those who do not follow, that causes problems. Since God is merely a mythology, any laws and regulations and belief systems based upon Him must also be vague and in many cases contradictory. And that is where the control and opression comes in. Because we cannot know god in a rational way, since he was created by us to be outside rationality, there is no way to prove or disprove any claims made by religious men looking to use the myth for their own gain. And that's where extremism and fundamentalist paranoia seeps in and skews what is really just a very understandable, and in many ways useful tool to help people deal with things they cannot understand or that seem to happen for no reason. The human mind is such that even if we were to remove the concept of "God" the old man in the white beard up in the clouds, we would HAVE to replace it with something. Even Nietzche ended up doing that. He claimed "God is dead" but all he did was replace God with his Superman. Man, because of our need to understand and make sense of what we cannot or do not yet know, will ALWAYS create myth and posit some sort of superior being or force which has some power or control over us in some way, so that the senseless things that happen can be explained and death can cease to be a terrifying end of everything.

thadhel1

I will rephrase my answer since you rephrased your question. Again, what you have proposed is not a question, but a belief statement. But consider the following as a possible rebutal: Who gave you the ability to think? Who gave you the emotion to react when your complex camera called an eye will focus in 3D and color--then send such information via optic nerve to your brain while you read and comprehend what I have typed? For the brain/mind to do what it does goes far beyond what evolution or mere chance can accidently "put together". It is not arogant or force-fed by parents to consider such things and designed by an almighty creator. The highest calling a person can do is search for the source of their existance. Sorry for the earlier offense. It's not because the subject is religious, it is because you called such thought processes arogant regurgitation.

Schneb

I will rephrase my answer since you rephrased your question. Again, what you have proposed is not a question, but a belief statement. But consider the following as a possible rebutal: Who gave you the ability to think? Who gave you the emotion to react when your complex camera called an eye will focus in 3D and color--then send such information via optic nerve to your brain while you read and comprehend what I have typed? For the brain/mind to do what it does goes far beyond what evolution or mere chance can accidently "put together". It is not arogant or force-fed by parents to consider such things and designed by an almighty creator. The highest calling a person can do is search for the source of their existance. Sorry for the earlier offense. It's not because the subject is religious, it is because you called such thought processes arogant regurgitation.

Schneb

I agree with you, although I would suggest that it is not arrogance that leads people to assume God is in some way akin to us--the whole "created in His image" thing--but rather fear. The concept of God was created not as a tool for opression or control (remember, God predates religion) but rather as an attempt to explain the unknown and to reassure us that death is not final. Man is the only animal which lives with the knowledge of his own mortality. We created God in OUR image so that we had something understandable to look to for support and comfort. All mythologies used deities based on something familiar--be it human, or in some cases animal, because that made the unknown less frightening. And since as you say the need to have a beginning point is a logical necessity, and since it is highly unlikely we'll ever truly pinpoint what that beginning point is, it is not necessarily arrogant to pick the most comforting arbitrary choice. Both God as a beginning and the Big Bang are arbitrary points chosen on the infinite regress slippery slope, one being more faith-based, and one being more mechanical. Neither stand up to any serious pushing. "What made God?" causes just as much trouble as "What made the big ball of matter?" To choose either of those points is arbitrary. God is a concept all mankind has carried around for as long as we were self-aware enough to know we would die. RELIGION is a completely different concept, and it is RELIGION--a codified set of beliefs and regulations BASED on what someone else SAYS this GOD wants us to do and how it wants us to behave, and what will happen to those who do not follow, that causes problems. Since God is merely a mythology, any laws and regulations and belief systems based upon Him must also be vague and in many cases contradictory. And that is where the control and opression comes in. Because we cannot know god in a rational way, since he was created by us to be outside rationality, there is no way to prove or disprove any claims made by religious men looking to use the myth for their own gain. And that's where extremism and fundamentalist paranoia seeps in and skews what is really just a very understandable, and in many ways useful tool to help people deal with things they cannot understand or that seem to happen for no reason. The human mind is such that even if we were to remove the concept of "God" the old man in the white beard up in the clouds, we would HAVE to replace it with something. Even Nietzche ended up doing that. He claimed "God is dead" but all he did was replace God with his Superman. Man, because of our need to understand and make sense of what we cannot or do not yet know, will ALWAYS create myth and posit some sort of superior being or force which has some power or control over us in some way, so that the senseless things that happen can be explained and death can cease to be a terrifying end of everything.

thadhel1

Is the universe immense? Or is it all a grand hoax? How can you prove the universe is infinite? For all we know, we live in a cage. Ever see the matrix? BTW, some theorize the universe is in fact NOT infinite. Rather ever expanding.

rob

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