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Why do they teach the kind of math in school that doesn't even prepare you for university math?

  • People choose to major in pure math at university because they were good at math in school but the math in school in very different than that at university and sadly many then change their major because they just couldn't handle stuff like abstract algebra, analysis, etc. If you were good at physics in school, you won't have much problems with physics at university either because you're only learning the same thing, only that it's of a more advance level but that's not so with math... at university it'll like you're given a new kind of beast to handle. Even if you did very well at math in school, there's no guarantee that you'll succeed at math in university too. So now my question is why don't they teach math that's similar to what you'll see/encounter at university at school? Wouldn't that help many to not make the wrong decision of choosing to major in pure math? At least people will have the right idea of what to expect to learn at univeristy and only those that really are good at pure math will then be choosing to study it more deeply at university?

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    This is an unfortunate aspect of the mathematics curriculum, but I don't see a convincing way around it. As others have said, the math that is commonly taught pre-university is useful and necessary for many disciplines, and so must be taught first. For most people then, the most advanced math class that can be taken by the end of high school is some calculus, which is still (especially in high schools) primarily computational. Now if someone gets through calculus, usually the next course to be taken is a proofs course, which introduces the student to the abstraction that you're talking about. This kind of course is often treated as a "weed-out" course for math majors. Here is the first time a student sees if he/she can do abstract or "pure" mathematics. Hopefully this course is taken early enough that if the student cannot manage, then the option of changing major is open. At many universities, you don't have to drop the math major entirely; rather, you can opt for an "applied" math major. These courses focus more on the computational side of things, and are therefore relatively similar to the pre-university coursework. Ideally a prospective math student in high school would be told something like this, and would know to have other options in mind. Perhaps they should also be asked to try to understand the proofs given of elementary calculus facts; these are also a good introduction to abstraction. A student who cannot understand the formal epsilon-delta definition of limit should be aware that these are the types of abstract concepts that will arise in pure mathematics. Of course, to be good at abstract math you need to have been good at common math as well. Someone who struggles with algebra will (and I've seen plenty of this) have even more troubles with calculus. Also, I don't know that I fully agree with you that other subjects are immune to this phenomenon. Every subject gets more detailed and difficult as a student progresses. I might agree that pure math is a bit of a high hurdle, but students change majors for many reasons. Okay, that's enough rambling, now I'll get back to your specific questions. Why not teach abstract math pre-university? Because, largely, none of it makes any sense without some basic knowledge first. I don't think anyone at my high school would have taken an abstract algebra course, or at least they wouldn't have stayed in it long. It would be nice to hint to students in high school calculus (or precalculus?) that the proofs are the important part for a pure math major. Let me also say that, if a student starts in university with pure math, then realizes that abstraction is not for him/her, then it was not a waste! The math courses that have been taken can be helpful for many other disciplines. I mention applied math above, but of course calculus, differential equations, and basic logic (among many other possible lessons) can be useful for physics, chemistry, etc.

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because school teaches algebra and to an extent basic calculus and trig. when you get into upper math, and i am by no means in it, you use those basics to solve differential equation (which im in now) and other things like line integrals. After that, it becomes much more abstract and the only reason you would take that is if you eat math for breakfast.

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Actually it depends on you as a person and what you learned from high school... I skipped a lot of math classes when I was in middle school and when I went to high school I was supposed to take pre-cal but since the school I went to didn't accept my middle school math credits as high school credits I had to repeat all my classes again -_- But in university they have placement tests to see where you're at in math... I'm a pure mathematics major and I have no problem understanding the stuff they're teaching at school and I haven't even learned half of the stuff we use... I never learned trig identities and parametric equations... or better yet vectors and yet I still understand everything... I think it just depends on how well versed you are in math... As for teaching in high school, the curriculum isn't based on what the teacher teaches, it's based on what the school wants the teacher to teach. I know my college professor doesn't want to teach multivariable calculus because the school will only allow him to teach it a certain way... Plus if you look really closely back at the things you learned in high school, the things the teacher overlooked are the things that you use most in college math xD I remember my teacher overlooked matrices, and when I went to college I was screwed because I had no clue how to change up a matrix... And what you expect to learn at university is totally dependent on you as a person.. You can't go to school expecting to learn something if you haven't learned how to do the things that lead up to those things such as limits and derivatives... My trig teacher in high school went straight to what a derivative was, didn't even show us what it meant, just told us how to find the derivative and when I took calculus in college, they screwed me over by asking me how you know what a derivative is... And you don't choose to be a math major because you're good at math... you choose to be one because you love math :D Well that's my opinion :D

The math they teach at school is good for most math needed for college physics, chemistry and science. It is also good for college math for non-math majors. (I should note that advanced physics uses very advanced math.) However, if you are going to major in math you will need to realize that the "basic" stuff like calculus and trig is no longer being researched. College math majors get introduced to abstract algebra with boolean groups and elliptic curves and lots of other stuff. I really don't think that teaching abstract algebra or elliptic curve math would be a good idea in high school.

Jim M

Honesty, math requirements for High School have pretty low standards. They don't really prepare you for anything, just teach to the State Test, which determines how well they did as a teacher, and sometimes even how much they get paid. However, you would need to be in an accelerated math program in order to get prepared for College-level math. I took accelerated classes, ending up with Calc BC in my Senior Year, and I can tell you th at it really helped me prepare for Calc 3 in college. I barely have to take notes at all, pretty much an easy A. I owe it mostly to my Calc Teacher from HS.

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