What is a good quote spoken by Fortinbras comparing himself to Hamlet?

Relating this quote to Hamlet?

  • "A man who wishes to make a profession of goodness in everything must necessarily come to grief among so many who are not good. Therefore, it is necessary for a prince, who wishes to maintain himself, to learn how not to be good, and to use this knowledge and not use it, according to the necessity of the case" ~~The Prince~~ Machiavelli Is this explaining how Hamlet must use his skillful wit to bring Claudius down for the death of King Hamlet? He needs to act "not good" to make things better? Guildenstern and Rosencrantz have to bring Hamlet to England to be killed. Although it is not a good deed, they must do it to create peace in their country so Hamlet can't hurt anyone else. Are there any other examples? Am I on the right track with the quote?

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    Machiavelli's Prince was evil. Shakespeare's Prince Hamlet was good. HAMLET (Act 3, Scene 4, lines 168-171) . . . Forgive me this my virtue; For in the fatness of these pursy times Virtue itself of vice must pardon beg, Yea, curb and woo for leave to do him good http://www.thyorisons.com/#Nutshell - Hamlet in a Nutshell The title says it all: "The Tragedy of Hamlet, Prince of Denmark." Because he is Prince of Denmark he is not free to carve for himself. He is subject to the voice of Denmark - and that voice was sent from Hell to speak of horrors. Hamlet, like all the other major characters, is untrue to himself. When he is himself, he is like Horatio, a student from Wittenberg. But as he said, "Horatio, or I do forget myself." He does forget himself. He erases himself and his humanist education (all saws of books, all forms, all pressures past, that youth and observation copied there) from his own brain and there in the book and volume of his brain he writes his father's commandment (the voice of Denmark, sent from Hell to speak of horrors, to breathe contagion, unfolding the secrets of his prison-house that he was forbid to tell to mortal ears). Hamlet is from himself taken away. When he is not "from himself taken away," Hamlet is a rational humanist scholar from Wittenberg. But Hamlet erases that side of himself from the book and volume of his brain and replaces it with the commandment of his warlike father. Thereafter all of Hamlet's soliloquies are really debates between the warring sides of his divided soul. Hamlet is a valiant soldier of the spirit, fighting a desperate internal battle to defend the sovereignty of his soul. In the "my thoughts be bloody" soliloquy: Hamlet the scholar says, Sure, he that made us with such large discourse, Looking before and after, gave us not That capability and god-like reason To fust in us unused. But Prince Hamlet, the soldier-son of a warlike king scoffs at "thinking too precisely on the event" and concludes: My thoughts be bloody, or be nothing worth! A gravedigger was hired on the very day that Hamlet emerged from his mother's womb, which was the same day his father put old Fortinbras into the womb of earth (his grave), thus acquiring land "that was and is the question of these wars" and which was Hamlet's inheritance, figuratively a graveyard, not big enough to cover the dead from the impending war. BERNARDO (Act 1, Scene 1, lines 121-124) I think it be no other but e'en so: Well may it sort that this portentous figure Comes armed through our watch; so like the king that was and is the question of these wars. That is Hamlet's dilemma - whether "TO BE OR NOT TO BE" like the Ghost, "so like the king THAT was and IS THE QUESTION of these wars." http://www.thyorisons.com/#Summary - Summary of the Themes of Hamlet (Please go to the above link for active links to the essays listed below) The main theme of Hamlet is "To thine ownself be true." Hamlet's Tragic Flaw To Thine Ownself Be True Hamlet and Ophelia are both untrue to themselves by being excessively obedient to their fathers. The play is about excessive filial duty - it's a filial drama (Ophelia drama). The Drama Filial Chaste Treasure in the Womb of Earth Elegy for the Kissing Carrion When Hamlet is true to himself, he's a rational scholar from Wittenberg. When Hamlet is "from himself taken away," he is Prince Hamlet, the soldier-son of a warlike king, who scoffs at reason as "thinking too precisely." Thus a sub-theme is "reason vs bloody royal tradition." Thinking Makes It So God-like Reason Unused Where Kings Lead, Folly Follows Hamlet's father, his uncle, old Fortinbras, and young Fortinbras all valued dirt over people (as in a graveyard). Thus a major theme is the sin of killing for land. Hamlet's dilemma is whether "to be or not to be," like the Ghost, "so like the king that was and is the question of these wars." Epitaph for a King To Be Or Not To Be Tis a Vice to Know Him To Inherit the Earth The Womb of Earth When Your Clowns Speak There is also a theme of purgatory and confession "to be forestalled ere we come to fall," to "avoid what is to come," "lest more mischance on plots and errors, happen." Confess Thyself The Majesty of Buried Denmark

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If this is class work for world literature you should do it yourself :P

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