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Sacroiliac Injury or Neurolgical Problem?

  • My vet and i are at a loss trying to diagnose my horse. Shes going to specialist next week for their verdict but i wondered if anyone on here might know of a sign/symptom to lead us in either direction. Ive had her 3 months and its been a complete disaster. 3 weeks into having her she went lame in her back near leg. Conformation-wise shes very weak at the back and much stronger at the front with very very large hooves. Shes a 6yr old tbxID. Anyway, the vet is called out and she is diagnosed with a sacroiliac injury, due to having a pelvis that is misaligned and being very sore on the near side, the side that shows muscle wastage and is slightly lower. The first sign i noticed, baring in mind that id only had this horse 3 weeks, was that she couldnt canter on the rein needed to use her left side. She constantly went onto the wrong leg and in trot she kept trying to canter (and shes young but not the bombing off type at all) She did look sound without a rider. Three weeks box/field rest later and i long rein a week and then ride her. No improvement, but now she seems to be unco-ordinated. My instructor described it as having this lovely long pace but not knnowing what to do with it. On minute shes over reaching and then shes falling in on her shoulder on a circle. I didnt see as i was riding so cant really describe more than that. In trot she felt like she was skipping to correct herself when she felt something wasnt moving quick enough. If that makes sense. So after the vet has seen this, he suggests some quick neuro tests and backs her up, complete disaster it was. She shuffled with her bum and dragged her front right hand leg and then just planted herslef and would not move even with two full grown men pushing her. Next were the circles, which she seemed to do ok, she didnt wobble or stumble but her legs were a bit all over the place. With the tail pull she was fine, correcting herself in one step and then with the placement tests she put her leg back straight away.The vet then suggested a cortisone injection into the sacroiliac to seeif theres any improvement. My vet however is not an expert in this and has said to me he has his suspicians but would like someone more specialist to have a look at her. Today in the field i saw her drag her hind toes with every step. Both about the same amount. She did stumble alot before i had her, but no more than, i thought at the time, a normal clumsy horse with feet the size of dinner plates. About 3 times on an hours hack. She passed a 5 stage vetting 3 weeks before she went lame and has since the vet last came out, backed up absolutley fine. But i know with neuro stuff it can be different each day. Anyway, if anybody sees something that they think leads to one more than the other i would be very greatful or for any kind of response that might help with this nightmare. Thanks!

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    You should have her tested for EPM and Wobbler's, those are the two biggest things I can think of at this point, most likely Wobbler's because of the progression. Try to have a couple of vets out at the same time (the specialist is a great idea) so they can collaborate and bounce ideas off of each other. Maybe have your farrier out with them eventually, too.

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thats awful! poor little mare :( i don't know a lot about sacroiliac injurys... but by the sounds of what your saying.. it sounds like it could be a case of wobblers disease perhaps... Wobbler disease is a condition of the cervical vertebrae that causes an unsteady (wobbly) gait and weakness in dogs and horses. The term wobbler disease refers to a number of different conditions of the cervical (neck) spinal column that all cause similar symptoms. These conditions may include malformation of the vertebrae, intervertebral disc protrusion, and disease of the interspinal ligaments, ligamenta flava, and articular facets of the vertebrae.[1] Wobbler disease is also known as cervical vertebral instability, cervical spondylomyelopathy (CSM), and cervical vertebral malformation (CVM). In dogs, the disease is most common in large breeds, especially Great Danes and Dobermanns. In horses, it is not linked to a particular breed, though it is most often seen in tall race-bred horses. It is most likely inherited in dogs, it may be hereditary to some extent in horses. this is a video of a horse with wobblers.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb1rCxFj2SU&feature=related most visual sign of the disease is moving with a strange gate... Wobbler disease in horses Wobbler disease is also found in horses, where it is often called Wobbler's Syndrome, refers to several conditions beyond those listed above, including equine wobbles anemia. It is also used as a catchall phrase within the horse community to designate a neurological problem that has no more specific diagnosis. Some forms, such as cervical vertebral malformation (CVM), are not thought to be hereditary, but rather a congenital condition or a growth disorder. Other forms, such as Equine wobbles anemia, are concentrated in certain breeds and may be hereditary to some extent. Horses with wobbler disease often exhibit ataxia (implying dysfunction of parts of the nervous system), show weakness in the hindquarters, or may knuckle over in their fetlocks, particularly in the rear. With advanced stages of the disease they are prone to falling. While some cases are successfully treated with nutritional and medical management, surgery is also used. One method is the use of Titanium baskets, placed to fuse the vertebrae, thereby preventing compression of the spinal cord. Some horses are able to return to work, with a few able to reach competitive levels. There is currently no complete "cure" for the condition. Because wobbler's is the best known of the neurological conditions that affect horses, other, unrelated conditions, such as Equine Protozoal Myeloencephalitis and cerebellar abiotrophy are sometimes misdiagnosed as wobbler's, even though the causes and symptoms differ.

This really sounds like EPM. I gave you lots of good information the last time you posted this; The Horse Magazine will give you the best and most accurate information available as it is a vet based publication. You only have to sign up with your e-mail address to have full access to the information. http://www.thehorse.com/ please look this up.

Could be EPM, a spinal/sacral problem or a fracture. If she were mine, I would not ride her or work her at all until this is resolved. She could be constantly aggravating the problem. If it is EPM, she needs rest and meds immediately if you choose to try to help her recover. EPM is hard to diagnose, even with the most advanced testing. Muscle wasting takes a lot of time to be seen. If she has wasting, she has had a problem for an extended time, it is not new. Neurological problems, again, are very difficult to diagnose and there is a lot of common indications for various conditions. Really sorry to hear about your horse. Hope you are going to a good university or equine facility. I would have full work up with x-rays, MRI, CT scan. You definitely need to rule out a fracture on this horse. Best of luck to you.

I don't think this is in her head. i really believe she does have a lower back problem & she was passed to you this way as well as being full of pain shots. that's in the past. and i am glad you have her & you are really concerned! but this baby does have a real problem & i believe she has acute mini strokes. this can come from race-stress. I know you are doing all you can & I thank you but this baby needs serious bonding,love and be free for the rest of the season. in the Spring you will see a new strong & happy baby! good luck & keep us posted!

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