How good are my chances of getting into UC Berkeley or UCLA?
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Here's my situation: I'm a Sophomore in high school, living in Tucson, Arizona. I was born in San Diego but my family moved to Arizona in 2006 because of the job market. As I'm getting closer to graduating high school and moving on to college, I'm narrowing down my decision so that I can have something to aim for. I either want to go into political science and then law school (politics interest me greatly, I'd love to be a politican of some sort), engineering (the specific subset of which I am not sure), or cosmology/astronomy/astrophysics. My mother and I have long wanted to move back to California. I also have high aspirations. UC Berkeley is an ideal school for me because of its prestige -- and I mean that in the least conceited way possible -- and location. My parents confronted me this morning and told me that if I wanted to go to UC Berkeley (or any university inside of California, for that matter), then my mother and I would be moving back to San Diego and renting an apartment to live in for my senior year of high school. They said this would allow me to get in-state tuition, and thus, save them ~$20,000 for my first year. I'm thrilled by this possibility, but I'm also a bit hesitant to take their offer. I'd like to think of myself as worthy of get into UC Berkeley or UCLA, but there's also that little voice of fear in the back of my mind that is saying that I won't get accepted and that I would have had my mother move out to San Diego with me for a year for naught. I realized that it is difficult to assess whether or not I will get accepted, but I'm asking for whoever is knowledgeable about the UC system to please give input. I will list my courses taken and future courses below. Freshman: Earth Science (A/A), Honors Algebra 2 (A/A), P.E. (A/A), World History Honors (B/A), Spanish 1 (A/B), English (A/A). My weighted GPA ended up being like a 4.007 Sophomore: AP Economics (A/A), Honors Pre-Calc. (A/A), Computer Art (A/A), Spanish 2 (A/A), Honors Biology (A/A), Honors English (A/A). My weighted GPA for Sophomore and Freshman year combined is a 4.217 Junior: AP US History, AP Calculus AB, Honors Spanish 3, AP Human Geography, Honors Chemistry, AP Language. Senior: AP US Government, AP Calculus BC, AP Spanish 4, [Undecided elective], AP Chemistry, AP Literature. I haven't gotten involved in any extracurricular activities yet, but I will certainly get involved in a club or two next year and I'll probably volunteer in my community so that I look more appealing on my college resume. I haven't taken the SAT or ACT yet but I'll likely do well on those. At the end of my senior year, I will (hopefully) have completed 11 AP classes. One last thing: I've read that the acceptance rate for UC Berkeley and UCLA are ~22%. Are my chances higher if I'm a California resident? Or is the 22% only in-state applicants? Thank you very much.
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Universities consider UNWEIGHTED GPA. Remember, if you have little or no extracurricular activities, you will need exceptional grades in order to stand out of the pack. It is easier for students with great Arts, Music, Sports, leadership, Adademic Awards, Debate, model UN, Clubs, etc. to make a great first impression with their application. The 22% is the actual number of students who received offers (instate, out of state and International students). Yes, in-state applicants have a slight advantage, but remember that you are still competeing with at least about 40,000 other in-state students who also have awesome grades and there are fewer than 4,500 Freshman spots in each school. You can check out the ACTUAL Admission OFFERS sent out by each University based upon the SAT and GPA of the applicant. The links (below) will take you to the University page -the chart is half way down the page. UC-Berkeley - You will need a 3.65 and a 1700 SAT 4,356 Freshman Spots; 48,682 Applied this year; 10,524 (21.61%) Received Offers; on average 8.94% of applicants will Accept their Offers http://www.cappex.com/colleges/University-of-California-Berkeley-110635 UCLA - You will need about a 3.7 and minimum 1700 SAT 4,472 Freshman Spots; 55,694 Applied this year; 12,178 (21.86%) Received Offers; on average 8% of applicants will Accept their Offers http://www.cappex.com/colleges/University-of-California-Los-Angeles-110662
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Universities consider UNWEIGHTED GPA. Remember, if you have little or no extracurricular activities, you will need exceptional grades in order to stand out of the pack. It is easier for students with great Arts, Music, Sports, leadership, Adademic Awards, Debate, model UN, Clubs, etc. to make a great first impression with their application. The 22% is the actual number of students who received offers (instate, out of state and International students). Yes, in-state applicants have a slight advantage, but remember that you are still competeing with at least about 40,000 other in-state students who also have awesome grades and there are fewer than 4,500 Freshman spots in each school. You can check out the ACTUAL Admission OFFERS sent out by each University based upon the SAT and GPA of the applicant. The links (below) will take you to the University page -the chart is half way down the page. UC-Berkeley - You will need a 3.65 and a 1700 SAT 4,356 Freshman Spots; 48,682 Applied this year; 10,524 (21.61%) Received Offers; on average 8.94% of applicants will Accept their Offers http://www.cappex.com/colleges/University-of-California-Berkeley-110635 UCLA - You will need about a 3.7 and minimum 1700 SAT 4,472 Freshman Spots; 55,694 Applied this year; 12,178 (21.86%) Received Offers; on average 8% of applicants will Accept their Offers http://www.cappex.com/colleges/University-of-California-Los-Angeles-110662
If a main reason to go to Berkley is location, you really need to actually go there. Hobos easily can slip in and once I was in my friend's dorm there was literally one knocking furiously at her window. The school is yes, quite a good school/ What about unweighted gpa? That matters too maybe even more than weighted. From what I heard Berkley is famous for picking valedictorians. UCLA I personally don't like it, but it's a much nicer location and it's not entirely that bad too. These college don't actually need spectacular extracirricular so you actually might be all good for NOW (test taking and stuff like that left)
With Unitary Comprehensive Review Admissions as practiced at UC, the higher the API of the high school, the higher the Sat/Act scores have to be to gain admission, and we are not speaking of a small difference. A 3.99 Gpa student with a 1,051 Sat (Cr + Math) at an API 1 school can have a better chance of being admitted to Berkeley than a 4.15 Gpa student with 1406 Sat(Cr + Math) at an API 10 high school. [The higher the API, the more competitive the high school.] http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/school_academic_characteristics.aspx?atpCode=52636&Year=2008-09&Type=highschool http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/school_academic_characteristics.aspx?atpCode=52970&Year=2008-09&Type=highschool Choose your California high school wisely. At "School Reports" tab select a California high school to see the academic profiles of students admitted and enrolled from that high school at various UC's. http://statfinder.ucop.edu/default.aspx Don't apply to Engineering at Berkeley if you are not sure you want to be an Engineer. Engineering admits by major and some majors are significantly more difficult to be admitted to, specifically, EECS, Bio Engineering and Engineering Undeclared(Not Kidding.) L&S does not admit by major. Consider getting involved in something this year so you have something to put down for sophomore year even if it as only for a month or two. Do the required amount of community service before the Fall so you can apply to join NHS. NHS is considered a leadership activity. Maybe start running and go out for cross country or get involved in a sport outside of school during the summer like crew, not sure if they have that in Tucson. A good plan is at least one athletic and non athletic activity through junior and senior year, the same activity for both years. A weakness in your schedule is having taken Earth Science, this is going to preclude taking Physics if you take AP Chem. See Harvard's recommendations on courses: http://admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/preparing/index.html Consider getting through the second semester of college Calculus by the end of the summer of 2013 and then enrolling in second year college calculus at a community college for senior year, if possible. If you are in California, it could definitely be possible. This would also enhance chances at other highly selective private colleges. A well endowed private university can be less than a UC for a student from a family making less than around 200k per year. This is for Yale and obviously Yale is more endowed than most, but it is illustrative: http://news.yale.edu/2008/01/14/yale-cuts-costs-families-and-students If finances are a concern, the service academies are free of charge regardless of the families financial situation. West Point would serve as a good spring board for your plan A but with a five year hiatus between graduation and law school. Nrotc and Rotc Scholarships pay full tuition. Athletic participation is very important to the service academies and also for selection for the Nrotc/Rotc/Afrotc scholarships. http://www.dean.usma.edu/Scholarships/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylv=3?qid=20120318174953AANoOsk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3F7Jsc83bU As already stated, UC admission depends on the API of the high school; however, we really do not know how admissions selections have changed for the class admitted for Fall of 2012, since this is the first admissions cycle in decades that Sat Subject Exams were not required and where every student in the top 9% of his high school class regardless of Sat/Act scores has been eligible for admission to A UC Campus. Previously ELC(eligibility in the local context) was limited to the top 4%. Under unitary comprehensive review, two readers read the personal statements and application and then assign a score from 1-5. A 5 does not meet minimum UC eligibility standards. 1-4 have no set standards. It is a subjective evaluation. Then for instance, in L&S all potential majors are treated the same. So if there are 5,000 L&S slots for which there will be made 10,000 offers, given a historic fifty percent acceptance rate and if there are 4,000 1's, all the 1's are admitted. If there are 5,000 2's, all the 2's are admitted. If there are 10,000 3's, then there is further subjective ranking of the 3's to get the 3's down to 1,000 to bring the number offers up to 10,000. In COE(College of Engineering) this is done by major. UC's recalculated A-G GPA is a weighted GPA. US News undergrad rankings do not directly consider the quality of the faculty, the most important factor. They also use factors that heavily bias their undergrad rankings to favor private universities. Their grad school ranking consider the quality of the faculty and are helpful. http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp Berkeley has the highest Gpa in the UC system. http://www.gradeinflation.com/ Good Luck!
well it also comes down to your essay, your pretty strong in my opinion because i know people that got 3.9 weighted and got into berkeley but not LA or vice versa. Have something really interesting to write about. These people get lots of competitive applicants grade wise but the essays play a big role too. My friend wrote about his mission trip to mexico about his experiences on helping out the really poor little children in a small town in Mexico. Keep it up, don't stress too much cuz UCSD and UCSB are one of the top schools in the US. UCI is also pretty good and so is UC Davis. Remember, name of the school is not everything when it comes to getting a job.
MaryBeth
If a main reason to go to Berkley is location, you really need to actually go there. Hobos easily can slip in and once I was in my friend's dorm there was literally one knocking furiously at her window. The school is yes, quite a good school/ What about unweighted gpa? That matters too maybe even more than weighted. From what I heard Berkley is famous for picking valedictorians. UCLA I personally don't like it, but it's a much nicer location and it's not entirely that bad too. These college don't actually need spectacular extracirricular so you actually might be all good for NOW (test taking and stuff like that left)
Kino
With Unitary Comprehensive Review Admissions as practiced at UC, the higher the API of the high school, the higher the Sat/Act scores have to be to gain admission, and we are not speaking of a small difference. A 3.99 Gpa student with a 1,051 Sat (Cr + Math) at an API 1 school can have a better chance of being admitted to Berkeley than a 4.15 Gpa student with 1406 Sat(Cr + Math) at an API 10 high school. [The higher the API, the more competitive the high school.] http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/school_academic_characteristics.aspx?atpCode=52636&Year=2008-09&Type=highschool http://statfinder.ucop.edu/reports/schoolreports/school_academic_characteristics.aspx?atpCode=52970&Year=2008-09&Type=highschool Choose your California high school wisely. At "School Reports" tab select a California high school to see the academic profiles of students admitted and enrolled from that high school at various UC's. http://statfinder.ucop.edu/default.aspx Don't apply to Engineering at Berkeley if you are not sure you want to be an Engineer. Engineering admits by major and some majors are significantly more difficult to be admitted to, specifically, EECS, Bio Engineering and Engineering Undeclared(Not Kidding.) L&S does not admit by major. Consider getting involved in something this year so you have something to put down for sophomore year even if it as only for a month or two. Do the required amount of community service before the Fall so you can apply to join NHS. NHS is considered a leadership activity. Maybe start running and go out for cross country or get involved in a sport outside of school during the summer like crew, not sure if they have that in Tucson. A good plan is at least one athletic and non athletic activity through junior and senior year, the same activity for both years. A weakness in your schedule is having taken Earth Science, this is going to preclude taking Physics if you take AP Chem. See Harvard's recommendations on courses: http://admissions.college.harvard.edu/apply/preparing/index.html Consider getting through the second semester of college Calculus by the end of the summer of 2013 and then enrolling in second year college calculus at a community college for senior year, if possible. If you are in California, it could definitely be possible. This would also enhance chances at other highly selective private colleges. A well endowed private university can be less than a UC for a student from a family making less than around 200k per year. This is for Yale and obviously Yale is more endowed than most, but it is illustrative: http://news.yale.edu/2008/01/14/yale-cuts-costs-families-and-students If finances are a concern, the service academies are free of charge regardless of the families financial situation. West Point would serve as a good spring board for your plan A but with a five year hiatus between graduation and law school. Nrotc and Rotc Scholarships pay full tuition. Athletic participation is very important to the service academies and also for selection for the Nrotc/Rotc/Afrotc scholarships. http://www.dean.usma.edu/Scholarships/ http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylv=3?qid=20120318174953AANoOsk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3F7Jsc83bU As already stated, UC admission depends on the API of the high school; however, we really do not know how admissions selections have changed for the class admitted for Fall of 2012, since this is the first admissions cycle in decades that Sat Subject Exams were not required and where every student in the top 9% of his high school class regardless of Sat/Act scores has been eligible for admission to A UC Campus. Previously ELC(eligibility in the local context) was limited to the top 4%. Under unitary comprehensive review, two readers read the personal statements and application and then assign a score from 1-5. A 5 does not meet minimum UC eligibility standards. 1-4 have no set standards. It is a subjective evaluation. Then for instance, in L&S all potential majors are treated the same. So if there are 5,000 L&S slots for which there will be made 10,000 offers, given a historic fifty percent acceptance rate and if there are 4,000 1's, all the 1's are admitted. If there are 5,000 2's, all the 2's are admitted. If there are 10,000 3's, then there is further subjective ranking of the 3's to get the 3's down to 1,000 to bring the number offers up to 10,000. In COE(College of Engineering) this is done by major. UC's recalculated A-G GPA is a weighted GPA. US News undergrad rankings do not directly consider the quality of the faculty, the most important factor. They also use factors that heavily bias their undergrad rankings to favor private universities. Their grad school ranking consider the quality of the faculty and are helpful. http://www.arwu.org/ARWU2010.jsp Berkeley has the highest Gpa in the UC system. http://www.gradeinflation.com/ Good Luck!
Tom
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