Would the united kingdom cease to exist if Scotland left?
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I have read a lot on this issue and to be honest, I am more confused than ever as people seem to have a different opinion. My question relates to this. The United Kingdom is a member of the EU, not Scotland and England. If Scotland leaves are we still members of the EU? Some people (myself included) feel that the treaty is between the United Kingdom and the EU, thus once Scotland leaves, there is no UK anymore and thus we are no longer members of the EU. Other people believe that England will be considered the successor to the UK and as such would retain membership of the EU. Can anyone clarify this issue. Would the UK as a legal entity remain and would Scotland and England still be part of the EU? And why do so many people think that the UK would remain as England. Why does England become the successor to the UK, why not Scotland - after all its supposed to be an equal Union. Scotland didn't join the United Kingdom, it merged with England to become the United Kingdom? I have just read all the answers and maybe I have muddled things up a bit, but my understanding is that Great Britain is England, Wales and Northern Ireland. United Kingdom is Scotland and England. In other words, it doesn't matter if England still has Wales and Northern Ireland because they constitute part of Great Britain, not the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom technically is the union of Great Britain (England Wales and later on Ireland) and Scotland. Thus when Scotland leaves, there is no more union !!
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Lets wait and see what happens first, because at the moment no one has the answer you are seeking. Have a nice day.
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Well because there is still a northern Ireland we would still have a right to call ourselves the UK and stay in the EU. Spain however has threatened to veto any attempt by Scotland to join the EU as a separate nation. This is because of there fears of secession in there own country. Other EU nations have the same worries and Scotland may find itself out of the UK and EU. Thats not necessarily bad. Switzerland and Norway are doing fine without the EU and there population is similar to Scotland.
Well because there is still a northern Ireland we would still have a right to call ourselves the UK and stay in the EU. Spain however has threatened to veto any attempt by Scotland to join the EU as a separate nation. This is because of there fears of secession in there own country. Other EU nations have the same worries and Scotland may find itself out of the UK and EU. Thats not necessarily bad. Switzerland and Norway are doing fine without the EU and there population is similar to Scotland.
The United Kingdom is made up of several different countries. England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, and a couple of small islands.
Dan
The United Kingdom is made up of several different countries. England, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, and a couple of small islands.
Dan
England and Scotland were both countries with a seperate Monarchy, who just happened to be the same person in both cases. The Act of Union was really an administrative move to let everything be managed from England. Wales is not a country, it's a principality (an area with a prince rather than a king at the head, so it is not on equal footing with England) and Northern Ireland is a province (I forget what the role is called but it is managed on behalf of the Crown by a civil servant, so it is not on equal footing with either England or Wales). If Scotland was granted full independence (remember, even outside of the Union the titular head would still be the Queen unless she gave up the Scottish crown) then the Union would cease to exist and I suppose we would no longer be the "United Kingdom" - like I said, Wales and Northern Ireland are not kingdoms, so who would we be united with? On the other hand, if Scotland was granted full independence then it would either live off EU bailouts (which every other country in the EU knows so they would probably block entry to them as freeloaders) or they would collapse due to a complete lack of sustainable economy combined with a painfully socialist government with no experience of spending money that doesn't belong to someone else. Give it a few years and Scotland would be back to freeload off us again, we probably wouldn't even have time to change all the flags before they come begging back :)
England and Scotland were both countries with a seperate Monarchy, who just happened to be the same person in both cases. The Act of Union was really an administrative move to let everything be managed from England. Wales is not a country, it's a principality (an area with a prince rather than a king at the head, so it is not on equal footing with England) and Northern Ireland is a province (I forget what the role is called but it is managed on behalf of the Crown by a civil servant, so it is not on equal footing with either England or Wales). If Scotland was granted full independence (remember, even outside of the Union the titular head would still be the Queen unless she gave up the Scottish crown) then the Union would cease to exist and I suppose we would no longer be the "United Kingdom" - like I said, Wales and Northern Ireland are not kingdoms, so who would we be united with? On the other hand, if Scotland was granted full independence then it would either live off EU bailouts (which every other country in the EU knows so they would probably block entry to them as freeloaders) or they would collapse due to a complete lack of sustainable economy combined with a painfully socialist government with no experience of spending money that doesn't belong to someone else. Give it a few years and Scotland would be back to freeload off us again, we probably wouldn't even have time to change all the flags before they come begging back :)
Jon
Scotland and the rump UK comprising of England, Wales and Northern Ireland would be successor states in the EU, on Scottish independence. Any assumption of superiority would be merely English arrogance and posturing to 'dumb' Scots to attempt to bully that they vote 'no' instead of 'yes' in the referendum. The EU would not buy it, especially given the belligerent UK behaviour over the last 30 years. Any EU parliament would welcome the Scots 'can do' positive attitude, as much as they do the Irish.
Beebop
Lets wait and see what happens first, because at the moment no one has the answer you are seeking. Have a nice day.
old grumpy
@ toss pot are you trying to be funny or just plain negative. Spain said no such thing, Senior British Government Sources did. "A senior UK minister said: "We understand the Scottish view is they would wish to join the UN but they would not wish to join Nato. They might wish to join the EU, but we fully expect Spain to block it, fearing it might encourage the separatist spirit on their doorstep." http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/spain-could-wield-veto-over-scotlands-eu-membership-6292846.html Then 3 days later the Spanish Foreign minister stood in brussels and denied this by saying.......... "However in a statement at a press conference in Brussels yesterday Mr GarcĂa-Margallo said that there was no truth at all in the Independents report. The Spanish Foreign Minister gave an assurance that "in no instance" had the Spanish government expressed "any disquiet" to the British government over the question of Scottish independence. He stated that the referendum in Scotland is an internal matter for the United Kingdom which would be resolved "in accordance with British constitutional norms, which have nothing to do with Spanish constitutional norms"." http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/4183-spanish-foreign-minister-reports-spain-would-veto-scots-membership-of-eu-are-qabsolutely-falseq But heres the thing it took the British media over a month to report this statement word by word, why do you think that is? http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/referendum/4183-spanish-foreign-minister-reports-spain-would-veto-scots-membership-of-eu-are-qabsolutely-falseq Every British link you'll find is from the same week, now how is it the Scottish and International Media can report this 4 weeks before the British media? All you have did is bought into Scaremongering by the corrupt British Government, this just prove show corrupt they are making stories up to scare Scotland as they have no real reason why Scotland should remain in the UK. The real question is why are they going to such lengths, we ve been told England would bomb scottish airports, England trying to claim a rock of the north of Scotland and this veto nonsense, when will Westminster start dealing with facts and not myths. Sorry for the rant but some people just ignore the truth to suit their own agenda. THe UK would not cease to exist it would be renamed and operate minus Scotland.
Andrew87
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