What do people think of the American Atheists group's trying to get a cross removed from the 9/11 memorial and museum site?
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Normally I'm a pretty big advocate for the separation of church and state, but I personally feel like this is seriously petty. Your thoughts? Background: The cross is to be included in the 9/11 museum for it's historical significance. Excerpts from http://atheists.org/document.doc?id=20) The Memorial and the Museum Located outdoors on the former site of the World Trade Center, the Memorial commemorates the victims of the September 11, 2001 attacks and the 1993 World Trade Center bombings. The cross has never been displayed at the Memorial, and there are no plans to display it there. Currently unopened, the Museum will be located primarily underground, beneath the Memorial. The Museumâs mission is to document the history of the 1993 and 2001 events by including physical artifacts to tell its story. The Museum will have three separate exhibits: an Introductory Exhibition, a Memorial Exhibition, and a Historical Exhibition. To help demonstrate and document history, the Foundation plans to have approximately 1,000 objects on display, including physical artifacts, photographs, oral histories, video presentations, the cross, a fire truck, an ambulance, large beams from the debris, part of the World Trade Centerâs facade, and the last column that was removed from Ground Zero. . . . Within the Historical Exhibition will be a section entitled âFinding Meaning at Ground Zero,â which will portray how those at Ground Zero struggled to cope with the horrific situation they faced. To cope, some turned to religion, patriotism, or forging relationships with relatives of victims. In this section, the Foundation plans to include the cross.
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I dropped my membership in American Atheists several years ago, when I decided their approach to educating Americans about atheism was not mine. The "cross" in question is to be included among 1,000 artifacts in the 9/11 museum as part of the story of loss and rebuilding. My understanding is that it is not a memorial for Christians who died on 9/11, but a symbol that was meaningful to the many workers at the site. Not to include it would be, in my opinion, tantamount to censorship. That said, I do agree with the effort of American Atheists to include a plaque indicating that atheists (and other non-Christians) were involved in the tragedy and its aftermath.
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I find it "petty", myself, and terribly distasteful, to place a symbol of a single religion at a public memorial for a tragic event. And it matters not which one. Do you think all who died on 9/11 were Christians? Certainly not. The cross makes it seem like they matter more than the Jews and Muslims and atheists who also died that day. The memorial should honor all the victims in equal measure.
Todd Allen
Ugh. I loathe . . . loathe unbending idealists. Some of my fellow atheists might disagree and while I love many of my fellow non-religious people, it really frustrates me. Look, I don't like religion. I think it's mostly harmful. But -- as a pragmatist -- I feel the slavish devotion to laws is as dangerous as slavish devotion to a leader or a cult or a religion. We find the best possible balance in life to achieve good results. The hulabaloo over Christians or Muslims doing something in public land so annoys me. We have a war to fight to keep science in schools and to keep the US military from forcing religion on service-members. I don't give a fuck about a cross on a memorial (in NYC) or a hill (in San Diego) or where-the-fuck-ever. Seriously. Let's all just calm the fuck down and realize that for better or worse, Americans are Christians. We include many religious holidays as national holidays NOT to force non-Christians to convert, but for UTILITARIAN reasons that 95% of the country (even non-Christians like me) would simply call off work. Since everybody admits that the USA is mostly Christian. Christian symbolism permeates our society. In a more perfect society, I'd happily call myself a "secular-christian-atheist" (lowercase "c"), in the same way that my friend Bethany is a secular Jew: she is a complete atheist like me, but does all the menora stuff and seder and she (and her wife) have all sorts of Jewish celebrations despite not believing in any of the religious trappings. So, not only do I not care that it goes there, I'd actually support it being put there. It ain't hurting anybody. It's probably making quite a few feel good. BUT, that being said, should Jews or Muslims or atheists want some kind of a plaque there, not a peep better be uttered about those.
Dan Holliday
I'm completely indifferent toward it being part of an historical exhibit in a museum. I think the thing that frustrates me about it is that I bet a lot of the same people who are getting so worked up about the mean awful atheists stealing their cross are probably the same people who were pissing and moaning about the Islamic community center (i.e. the "mosque") being opened "near" (translation: several blocks away, nowhere in immediate visible distance -- you'd have to actively go looking for it) Ground Zero, or the people who protested the initial design for the Flight 93 monument because they decided a semi-circle design somehow looked too much like the Islamic crescent. It's a little hypocritical to beat others over the head with the need for religious tolerance when the only religion you really tolerate is your own.
Jason McDonald
I'm generally not a big supporter of political advocacy groups like American Atheists or PETA that attract and come under the control of the most radical and reactionary members and their activities become more and more absurd. The Freedom From Religion Foundation generally aligns with my opinions better. In this specific case I think their challenge is actually very offensive on a number of levels. Most of all, it is disrespectful to the people who risked their lives helping others and working in the aftermath who personally found the cross itself to be meaningful. There's something offensive to me about the fact that they are challenging the presence of a historical artifact in a museum as separation of church and state. This isn't people trying to put the Ten Commandments on the grounds of a courthouse, it's a meaningful piece of the history of the event being preserved so that people have access to it. .
Daniel Super
MIsguided, probably. The case can certainly be made that a religious symbol is not irrelevant at a location which is notable for an act of Religious Violence against all people, 'believers' or not. Religious fundamentalism is entirely culpable for this act, and the presence of 'sacred' symbols could serve as a warning of religion's inherent dangers.
Harrison Boyle
A piece of the wreckage in the shape of a cross is being included in the "Finding Meaning at Ground Zero" section of the museum with an explanation of how rescue workers used it as a makeshift shrine. That is not an endorsement of Christianity, it is a description of how some rescue workers coped with the tragedy. So, its inclusion in the museum in no way violates the First Amendment.
Peter Leykam
OP, why that one religious symbol? Do you honestly believe it represents our heterogeneous culture? Making it out of demolished WTC materials implies a resurrection symbology with strong religious undertones. It will be seen as defiant in the name of Christ. To me, it validates the supposed religious motivation of the attackers, who really attacked America, not one of our religions. We are not a Christian nation. We are a nation with Christians, among many others.
Jay Colter
Since people that were not Christians died on 9/11, in those office towers, I'd like it removed. And the 10 Commandments plaque they announced would go on the grounds of our state house. We're a secular country.
Al Nelson
I have no problem with the cross even though I'm a nonbeliever, but would vote with those who would like to see symbols of other religious groups since it was not just Christians who died or lost loved ones.
Donna Schneider
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