What are the most underrated colleges in the top 30 US News & World Report rankings?
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I have to think Carnegie Mellon is up there (Yes, I may be biased because I went there but I know how recent graduates place in terms of jobs and how hard the school is).
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Short Answer: I'm going to answer this question at the level of methodology, not at the level of specific college. Arguably those that rank high in other ranking systems. Each ranking system priviledges a particular criteria and list of metrics. For instance those that rank highly in Princeton Review and the Forbes Ranking are both ranking systems that address another set of metrics (because the metrics that justify those rankings simply don't show up or aren't weighted so they show up). If you look to business and entrepreneurship, you can find still other Ranking systems. Reflections on Academic Value and Ranking That begs the question of how you determine value: 1. Academic 2. Reputation/Recruitment (this should probably include quality and depth of alumni network) 3. Social and cultural experience (including activities, learning abroad, sports, work-out facilities, etc....) 4. Career preparation and learning I think you have to make these based on a department by department basis (at least dividing the humanities, science, and business). Even then, certain professors are As, others Bs, and an assortment below that. Given that, its not surprising that a CMU would be preferred. For instance, its engineering, programming/IT, and business programs are all probably ranked pretty highly--along with policy and design. It seems to maintain specialities--while other universities may not provide a) that focus b) that community of share experience across departments. And its going to uniquely attract a particular type of person--which is a great fit to its programs. My guess is most people leave because of grades versus lack of fit with the culture. (Although, thats obviously pure conjecture on my part.) Wall Street Journal Recruiter-based Ranking If your question is one of pure economics, the Wall Street Journal ranking based on recruiters poll is probably the best way to determine (given lack of access to employment data and salary--much less salary over time with cost of living adjustments made): http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704554104575435563989873060.html The WSJ has an overall ranking and a career-based ranking. Unfortunately, its doesn't have great depth on the career specific rankings (ie I believe its only 6 colleges deep). State Universities tend to do well: Penn State, Texas A & M, Illinois, Purdue, Arizona State. Although, in the rankings by career, this trend may be less prominent. If you check out CMU's rankings for Computer Science, its #1 and its #21 in engineering: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703376504575491704156387646.html?mod=WSJ_PathToProfessions_MiddleTopHeadSumm To be fair, CMU also rankings #1 in US New and World Report's rankings of computer science programs (on the graduate level)--perhaps that helps contextualize the other ranking you were unhappy with: http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-science-schools/computer-science-rankings Assessing Niche and Synergistic Value: I think one other way which might be helpful to assess the economic question would be to take business rankings, its overall ranking, and perhaps its engineering rankings. This type of ranking would privilege schools which developed communities across departments. Some would argue that adding the fine arts ranking (or one or more of the humanities) would help provide a better criteria--so that you knew your freshman and sophomore classes in those areas would be top notch as well. Other Ranking Options: There is the option of the UK ranking system which is available here. I haven't contemplated the list or algorithm much. But here it is: http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/world-university-rankings/2011-2012/north-america.html CMU is 21 (20 if you take out Toronto)
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If you look at the WSJ ranking from recruiters, you'll notice most of the schools aren't particularly prestigious. Recruiters care most about the size of the student body, and second about the size of majors relevant to the fields they're recruiting for. Recruitment says nothing about quality if the school. In the same way, hard does not equal good. Hard is more often than not an indicator of bad teaching quality, if anything. A much easier school could be providing its students with a stronger education than a harder school. I would argue that the top 30 are mostly overrated in terms of academics, except for a few like Princeton, Chicago, Caltech, and WashU.
Edward Logan
By asking the question, you're assuming the USNews ranking is flawed in some way and overvalues or undervalues certain criteria.This is definitely an argument that is made fairly often by the schools themselves. Do you value average starting earning salary? Well then the tech schools rule the roost. Carnegie Mellon, MIT, and CalTech would sit in the top 3.
Thomas Gibson
I believe there are many schools that are underrated and few are overrated, not just the TOP 30 but many TOP100 colleges. When I look at US News & World Report rankings this is how I group them. based on 2014 ranking http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities TOP tier: (great academic + amazing reputation(schools everyone knows about.)) -Ivies,MIT and Stanford TOP tier: (great academic + great reputation, but not that well known oversea.) -UChic,Duke,Caltech - Any other schools ranked above /included #38 Case Western Reserve University 2nd tier: (good academic + great reputation in specific fields) - #38 UC Davis ------> #95 Drexel University Most 2nd tier schools are large research universities, you can get great faculty and education from 2nd tier schools, but don't expect people around you to be all that bright.
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