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Where is organic farming applied?

In the Equal Money System, how is the disconnect between what people want to do and labor that is required by society (e.g. farming, medical practice) reconciled?

  • As presented, in the everyone gets enough to live on, and can thereby do whatever it is that makes them most happy. However, if an insufficient number of people desire to perform , there won't be enough food produced, and people will starve. Therefore, there must be some way to ensure that there are enough farmers to produce the minimally necessary food. Or pick any other necessary product or service. The traditional answers (which vary by system) are: people to do the required (though "payment" doesn't have to be in , so long as whatever form payment takes is acceptable to the receiver), or people to do the required labor. Does EMS opt for either of the two traditional answers, or does it have a third way? What are applied?

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    Our proposal is that every person at least once in their lifetime contributes with food production as part of the basic understanding that our lives require a sustainable system wherein we can no longer enslave people to do such jobs. One of the proposals we have is that people that finish their high school  before choosing what studies/career to follow through with,  go to farms that will be localized in every community wherein people can work together for a season, months or years depending on the calculated time we get to establish according to the amount of people required. We have set a minimum of 4 years per person which could be on 'one go' or we could even brake them into yearly plans wherein one can take a year off from one's regular profession to go and do something different, such as contributing with food production and live in the countryside during tha time.  This will be part of a living principle of understanding that because we eat, we require to work for what we eat. Currently in our capitalist system, we are completely isolated from these basic living activities due to the comfort that money gives us to have nothing to do with food production, when in fact it is and should be part of our living skills learned from early on at school. Of course everyone will be paid their equal-share according to the amount of money that is gotten from the wholesale. The incentive within this will be getting to learn how food is produced, living in a natural environment with similar age-groups where group labor becomes quite a fun thing to do. I've experienced this myself first hand, and it's been the most productive year of my life where working on the land, learning construction work, painting, working with wood and taking care of animals became part of understanding how are lives are currently possible by actual work that I was completely alienated from due to the 'comfort' that money gives us when living in a city and usually never questioning how or where does our food come from. I also learned how to work in team and set common goals to be achieved in a particular time frame  It is one of he most valuable lessons one can get in real time. This whole experience can be of great support to give the youngsters the necessary time to decide how to follow through with their lives.   Right now the rush we have after school is due to the fear of not being able to make a living without having proper education, but life in Equal Money will be driven by the understanding of cooperation and retribution wherein giving and receiving will be understood as a necessary part of our existence, we haven't just made it that way because our current monetary system protects us from having to do these works as a vital form of responsibility. We figure out that if every single citizen goes through this process, we will have a continuous set of people that can contribute without any qualms about it, it is also guaranteed to be a way to remain grounded in our understanding of what Life in fact is about. A point of preference like not desiring to do something would be assessed by the person themselves with proper psychological/counseling support to understand where is it that one is not wanting to contribute to make our own lives sustainable at a communal level. This will be within the context of understanding that we won't have any form of 'paying another to do it for ourselves,' since that is only possible when depriving someone from having equal access to the necessary means to live, coerced labor is what we already have in our society. This understanding will be part of the basic education that everyone will have from an early age, so that it becomes part of our regular lives to dedicate time to our own basic living skills. We can also foresee that more people will be able to orgaize themselves at a community level to grow their own food, it is only the current idea we have of 'hard work' or 'undesirable activities' that could create a resistance to do so, which is stemming from the current slave labor conditions that we are all sponsoring with our consumption. This is precisely what must come to an end, and to do this everyone will have to participate at least once in their lifetime within these basic living activities. The rewards and incentives are learning living skills, teamwork logistics, relationships with similar age groups, having some time away from home and the regular environment, learning how to appreciate the physical cycles of the Earth that enable us to eat/take and give back  by reconstituting the environment as well as making it sustainable with proper living conditions that consider not only humans but the soil, animals and environment equally. These are our proposals, however if you have any other idea, by all means share since this is about how we can give ourselves a sustainable structure that is enjoyable to work in as well. For further information: http://equalmoney.org/wiki/Food_Production

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No one would be 'forced' to perform a job/labour they did not want to do. No need to go back in time and repeat what did not 'work'/was not effective in the past. There are many on earth-more than enough- who enjoy manual labour/movement and many more who would be surprised, after trying something they had not considered before, how they enjoy manual labour. I am one of them, I enjoy movement in a job more than sitting at a desk. We are many! Enough to ensure job sharing so no one must labour more than is comfortable for them each day or to share the really 'stinky' jobs, in a realistic way. So that great suffering ends on earth, I am more than happy to put in a few hours per day (as part of my day) to work a water/sewer system for 5 years, as an example. Not a big price to pay! How about you?

Sandy Jones

Medical practise as it exist now, is  based on trying to 'heal' the symptoms in the physical body that we have  created through lifetime by ignoring the physical body, and life on  earth in general. We have ignored 'substance', and are not working  together with the body and/or with earth as substance, but we are  forcing the body and earth to survive. This is related to making money  in the first place, because we have to force our bodies to work and work  and work, to 'earn' money to survive. No money, no food, no life. This  is how it is at the moment. Within an equal money system, there  will become a new balance between money, food, substance (as the body  and earth) and within this, medical practise will change. It will focus  more and more on working together with the body and earth. An example of  this is the natural medicine (included homeopathie), which is based on  the principle that the body itself can refind the balance in itself if  it gets the support it needs. This is inclusive working together with  the rithm of physical life, of the body, and not forcing it into slavery  to survive. Remember, in an equal money system, this survival mechanism  is no longer neccessary. Actually we know very little of how the  body really works. So a main part in medical practise will be  education. The basic of this medical education will also be part of the  basic education of children, more in how to take care for the body and  work together with the body. The answer here from Marlen writes  out how every one will work some time on a farm and learn about food  production, which is already the basic ground for a healthy body. What  we eat and how it grows and where it comes from gives understanding of  the basic principles of how to take care of the body as substance. For  the more intricate questions and situations related to medical  practise, there will be people educated and trained to practise this. If  the whole body is taken into consideration, related to earth and the  environment we live in and related to the mind that is of large influence on  our physical body, this is a very interesting education. Also in an  equal money system there will be people who wants to educate and  practise medical care, and within this contribute to life. Especially  when this 'jobs' in medical care are no longer based on working 12-16  hours a day, where at the moment there is no room for taking the own physical body  into consideration. In general, medical care will become more and more based on education so  that every human being learns in a way to take care of their own  physical body which will reduce the amount of illness that exist now.

Ingrid Schaefer

First of all, why would we believe there needs to be a "disconnect". This disconnect is what we know now with our current systems because we only participate because we need money to survive. We only go to school because through system education we can get a system job and we can survive. Along the way there is a "disconnect" that starts in childhood. In an equal money system, we therefore create a "connection" - and not a disconnection as it is now - this connection is made in childhood, were we make sure that children learn the basics about becoming a equal member in the self-sustaining community. Within this new context, each child can develop fully  - this means that the child is able and capable to see where his or her strengths lie and how these can be best developed to participate effectively so that all continuously benefit equally. You may say that it is impossible because how can a child already know that? Realise that children in an Equal Money System are brought up to take responsibility for themselves, they are brought up with respect that they are life and not "a-human-being-who-has-to-crow-up-and-be-educated-first" and is dependent on their parents for survival. Realise that this is where the hierarchy starts: child-parents-government/economics-money. When children are not raised with the belief that they need to obey for survival, but with the realisation that they are an integral part of the whole - how can there be a disconnect in what has to be done to create a world that is best for all?

Emanuelle Lejeune

Can you explain how is the system we live in forcing people to do labors they do not like, aka prostitution, theft, sweat shops, killing people, drug smuggling? Do you think the incentive of staying alive is an acceptable way to live, or should we say, create the conditions in which some will only be able to say 'yes master' and get on with what is required of them so they can eat the best incentive we found so far? Or what about torture? No, that's primitive, we do those things offshore and for reasons that are not connected to labor, just for 'defense' purposes. The best way would be to incentivate people through an elaborate system of economic slavery, where their life depend on lies too in-your-face to be noticed, that uses a fake mean of exchange backed by nothing which some have piled up truckloads of -as freeloaders- to convince them that unless they are granted access to it to be able to eat, they will have to die. Yes, we should stick to that, because it's working and we should never change what works. OR, we could, in that case we may have to get off the idea that people only move through incentives, understand that they have done so until now because they have been brainwashed into a system of reward and punishment instead of a simple straightforward education into the consequences of their action on the whole, a point that although we claim to be so clever we keep missing and then forget we are missing no matter how many are ringing the bell to say that our destruction time has reached the end of its potential and we need to move on. So, inform yourself on the website, there is a blog that has been exploring all the facets of a possible Capitalism that works for all called Economists Journey to Life, in EMS the Capital is Life - and if you care to understand it you will, it's Life or Profit, but it can't be both - haven't you noticed yet?

Eleonora Gozzini

Any apparent disconnect in the Equal Money System will tend to be reconciled by its proponents with recourse to content of the http://desteniiprocess.com online courses in "life skills and self-mastery" and the "equality and oneness principles" as discussed in https://desteniportal.quora.com and elsewhere, as these are the basis for the education referred to in relation to the EMS.  In EMS the idea is that there won't be an insufficient number of people who desire to perform farming because everyone will have realized what their social responsibilities are due to having been educated in the process as described for example by http://destenifarmvisitors.blogspot.co.uk.

Kate McGowan

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