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As a society, how could we decrease the size of the financial market so that more money and talent is directed to goods and services that add to society?

  • Financial markets are basically a zero sum game. The longer than money circulates there, the more value is lost directed to non-productive goods and services. Capital markets exist to best allocate money to create the maximum amount of value for society It seems to me that the ideal capital market would be one where the number of steps and people involved in applying the money to business creation or business growth is kept to the absolute minimum. Basically, how would you create the ideal capital market, eliminating waste from non-productive capital market activities? This is a follow-up question to .

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    Eliminate perversions of risk and reward. Money seeks the highest rate of return.  Under any rational system, higher rates of return come with higher risk.  The current financial sector is grossly bloated because it has been able to capture returns while distributing risk, suffocating ordinary businesses whose returns more normally conform to risk/reward distribution. What would have to change?  You must get rid of the systemic perversions of capitalism that set the system wildly out of balance.  Here are a few ideas: 1. One asset, one riskholder, one insurance policy - Under state laws, if you "overinsure" a property and experience a loss, you can only collect once.  With certain derivatives (like CDOs) you can buy and sell insurance on assets you are not taking risk on.  Make it so that in order to hedge the risk, you must own the risk. 2. One asset, one short (no naked short) - Shorting a stock (borrowing shares, selling them, then buying the stock back later at a hopefully reduced price to return to the owner) works only if the agent shorting the stock actually borrows and sells it.  A naked short is where the agent sells the stock without borrowing it.  This perverts the market's pricing mechanism.  If every short requires a share, then the amount of demand would raise the cost of borrowing.  You could take a risk, and short something with a low borrowing cost, assuming the market is wrong.  But that is risk.  You could also jump on the bandwagon and short something with a high borrowing cost to reduce risk, but that limits the reward. 3. Cheap money should be there to lubricate capital markets, not to create liquidity for trading (i.e. bankers don't trade) - Trading can be incredibly lucrative, but it is also very risky.  For the most part, it can be self-controlled as long as the trader is betting with house money.  You screw up, you run out of money.  Banking, however, has some structural advantages that are very tasty for traders.  They can borrow a lot of money extremely cheaply from the Fed, making bigger trades with higher profits (or lower loss) because of the lower cost of capital.  4. Tax Hedge funds - Hedge funds are extremely tax advantaged based on their particular construction, allowing them to generate returns for their LPs that are not commensurate with risk.  Fix this. 5. Bet with your own money - This is related to #3, and basically means that capital pools that are required to be no- to low-risk: pension funds, state and county treasuries, etc. cannot be used for high risk behavior.  This means loans, bonds, mortgages with regulated reporting, compliance, and management.  No derivatives. 6. Create more players - This is the most important.  Creating monopolies or near-monopolies always distorts the market.  We need mortgages that are cheap not because of Chinese capital reserves, but because mortgage lenders compete and their efficiency creates value.  We need more than three credit card issuers so that fees match value.  We need insurance competing against, not combined within other forms of financial services. We now have a system with a small number of franchises that have astonishingly low cost of capital and no productive means of creating actual wealth.  As such, they are extracting the embedded wealth of our country, its brands, its consumers, its pensions and governments.  If you want it shrunk, you have to get capitalism working again.

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Over the past thirty years there has been a steady deregulation of Wall St. firms, starting with regulations governing trade commissions, starting in the 70s. At the same time, the financial sector has become hugely more profitable, and has donated more money to both political parties. In 1998, Glass-Steagall was repealed, the Depression era act which separated commercial from investment banking. This paved the way for the creation for derivatives, which became more difficult to understand (for most people) and made it much easier to monetize risk. With this, Wall St. firms were able to pump up the market by issuing debt. For every dollar in circulation, $38 of debt was created. Basically, all that bad debt which was created has to work itself out of the system so that we have a much better balance sheet. There is no pretty way to do this, but it must be done. Any government which acts responsibly would have very strict controls on new debt issuance and creation. Unfortunately, this was not done.

Paul Denlinger

Short answer is perfect dissemination of relative information.      However, capital markets are not a zero-sum game. It is a genuine value adding activity, much like talking or communicating. Nothing is actually gained from moving your tongue, but everything becomes more efficient  No system that can stay perfect. As  The Second Law of Thermodynamics state, things goes from order to disorder if you don’t apply energy. Even if the capital market is perfect today, it will not stay that way. New technology, new demographics, natural disasters, and even type of lottery winners all change the perfect allocation of capital. In short, for the capital market to stay efficient, people need to work on in.

Junjun Kwak

If governments stopped issuing debt to match their deficits and just allowed excess reserves to pile up in the banking system without draining them this would eliminate the risk free return that much of the banking system earns both from holding long term debt and by playing the yield curve. The net consequences of this action would be that interest rates would fall and many banks would go bankrupt from no longer being paid a risk free return for being rich. The amount of money previously being spent on government debt interest payments would then disappear, allowing lower taxes or higher government spending with the same level of inflation. Thus previous holders of the debt instruments would suffer by no longer earning a risk free return (being paid to be rich, how absurd!), entities such as banks but also pension funds and some others. But their loss would be exactly matched by the benefit that the rest of the economy would receive from having lower taxes or higher government spending at the same level of inflation. This should achieve some of the goal of shrinking the financial sector and therefore driving talent towards activities that do not destroy wealth. And before the hysteria starts, this would not cause hyperinflation, as private sector savings would remain unchanged (one government "liability" is merely being swapped for another).

Sean Cronin

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