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Why does Wikipedia say Howard Stern is "LGBT"?

  • The Wikipedia list of "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:LGBT_people_from_New_York" includes Howard Stern. I don't think the "LGBT" part is accurate, but I don't see any way to edit it. How can I fix this? This also shows up at the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stern#External_links (under "Categories," which can't be edited). I can't see any way to remove items from the list of "LGBT people from New York" page. I do have a Wikipedia account and I have edited Wikipedia before, but if there's some obvious way to do this, it's not clear to me. I've clicked "https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories" on categories and haven't found anything useful. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Stern#Personal_life, Stern is married to a woman. This is his second marriage, and his previous marriage was also to a woman (with whom he had 3 children). Wikipedia also lists other women he's dated. Wikipedia doesn't mention Stern ever dating any men, and his Wikipedia page doesn't include the word "bisexual" (or "straight" or "gay" or "homosexual" or "heterosexual"). Googling for lists of who Stern has dated turns up http://dating.famousfix.com/tpx_3082/howard-stern/dating-history. Googling for info about whether Stern is bisexual doesn't turn up anything relevant that I can see. I've listened to many hours' worth of Stern's show, and he reveals a lot of personal info about himself, but I don't remember him ever hinting at being bisexual (or transgender). Stern is always expressing his sexual attraction to women. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=site:ask.metafilter.com+howard+stern+gay&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=site:ask.metafilter.com+howard+stern+bisexual the possibility that Stern could be bisexual. Also, Wikipedia's policy on LGBT lists is that "living persons must self-identify as LGBT," and I don't think Stern "self-identifies as LGBT." So, am I wrong, and if not, how can I edit Wikipedia to fix this?

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    The "LGBT people from New York" page is a Category, not a List (two different things in Wikipedia). As a category, I believe it's auto-populated from the category tags on individual pages. (By contrast, Lists are manually curated, and unlike Categories, can have entries that are not themselves Wikipedia pages.) You can edit Stern's page to remove the Category by editing the entire page (not just one section) using the "Edit" link at the top of the article, and removing "[[Category:LGBT people from New York]]" near the bottom of the page. I don't know if the change instantly propagates to the Category page, but if not it should happen whenever Wikipedia does an automatic update to the Category.

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If you don't have facts and a source, don't edit Wikipedia. You can't have facts or a source for something that isn't true or is made up. Furthermore, when unsourced dubious "facts" are in articles without a reference link, that is exactly the sort of stuff that should be edited and removed on Wikipedia. And the OP just explained the facts that are available showing Wikipedia is wrong. Oy vey. OP, just click "edit" on the top right-hand side of the page (between "read" and "view history") and then just delete [Category: LGBT people from New York] and then press save and you're done.

AppleTurnover

If you don't have facts and a source, you shouldn't add information to Wikipedia. It's fine to remove unsourced information from Wikipedia, especially in biographies of living persons. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons). The often-seen [citation needed] notation is a courtesy for information that one believes might be accurate but is currently unsourced, but there is no requirement to use it before deleting unsourced information.

DevilsAdvocate

If you don't have facts and a source, don't edit Wikipedia. I do have facts and sources to support the conclusion that Stern is straight. I just told you about lots of them.

John Cohen

OK, done. I removed it from his Wikipedia page. Thanks.

John Cohen

I'm on the board of advisors to the Wikimedia Foundation. What you did was fine. If you were feeling like you wanted a project you could go through the edits to see how added this to his profile (and see if there was a source/cite at the time) but otherwise no, you are fine.

jessamyn

Back in his Miss America days Stern got way into comedic drag and confessed on the air that he was kind of enjoying all the primping and girly stuff in a non-comedic way. I couldn't see his face, so maybe he was saying it sarcastically and I misread it. But I think it was pretty straightforward, and it wasn't like he was saying he was actually transgender or anything. I used to listen to his show all the time but gave up around the time he went to satellite radio. Is it possible that at some point in recent years he's said that he is somewhere on the trans spectrum? I think it's unlikely, but every now and then Stern will surprise ya.

Ursula Hitler

If you don't have facts and a source, don't edit Wikipedia.

paulcole

Thanks. Also, as I said, Wikipedia's policy is that if the person is living, the person needs to have self-labeled as LGBT. Howard Stern is living, so it's against Wikipedia's policy to put him in any LGBT category (e.g. LGBT people from New York) without having a statement from him saying that he's LGBT; it isn't OK to apply that category based on random speculation. Wikipedia seems to be quite strict about this — there are living people who are widely believed to be LGBT, but who aren't categorized as LGBT on Wikipedia because they haven't publicly announced that they are (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Simmons). As for the comment saying he has dressed in drag, I hadn't considered that anyone who's ever done so and enjoyed it would be categorized as LGBT. (Would you call Rudy Giuliani an "LGBT person from New York"? I don't think so.) Howard Stern has been extraordinarily public about documenting his childhood on his show — he's recently played recordings of himself as a young child, interviews with his parents, etc. — and there's been nothing about any gender transition.

John Cohen

I followed the proper WP:BLP procedures to have one of MeFi's Own high-profile authors included on a list of LGBT authors, and it was rejected even though I had facts and a high-quality primary source (personal statements by the author in question). Point is, do not be surprised to see the LGBT category vandalization on Stern's page reappear with a flimsy rationalization unless you can marshal an argument that can convince a cabal of editors. Fixing the category issue may take more time and effort than suggested above.

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