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Gas, oil, electric? Which new furnace to get in Seattle

  • I live in a 1911 Craftsman in Seattle. The heating situation is... pretty weird. (See the "more inside".) My 42-year-old oil furnace still works like a champ, but the oil company folks say they won't service it any more and it has to be replaced. I have been searching and searching to try to figure out the best way to deal with this before it gets cold out, but I am not finding what I need. Should I change my heating method and can people recommend whom I might call for this? OK. Here's the situation. The house was built as a one-story bungalow + attic and unfinished bedroom. During the last 50 years, the attic was finished (and roof partly raised), and the basement was finished. The main floor is about 1100 sq ft. It is served by the old oil furnace in the basement. The oil bills are very high. The CO detectors in the house don't show any noticeable CO levels, but the oil company serviceperson who last serviced it said it was likely to cause CO problems, and they won't service it anymore. (He drilled a big hole right in the front of it to do some sort of reading! And so now I have a furnace with a hole in it. Still works fine, no CO issues, but because of the hole is putting out heat into the furnace room where it shouldn't. I am skeptical of what the serviceperson said -- I think it's possible they just wanted to sell me a new furnace.) The basement, also about 1100 sq ft, is not served by the oil furnace -- instead, there is a gas heater against one of the outer walls. (The basement is divided into a living space, and laundry room, storage, etc. The gas heater only heats the living space. So it's not all 1100 sq ft.) Gas also runs to the fireplace above it on the main floor. I am not sure if there is gas piping to anywhere else in the house. There is an old pipe in the main floor kitchen wall where the stove is (and probably was, all the way back to 1911) which may be gas, but could also have once been for hot water. I have no idea at all. No ductwork for a new heater to use to heat the basement, but probably not difficult to add in that location. The attic, 780 sq ft, has two huge baseboard heaters, one for the bedroom and one for the upstairs "living room" (currently just storage). The bedroom one is kept fairly low and the "living room" one is kept even lower. I use a heated mattress pad, and a small portable heater for the otherwise unheated upstairs bathroom. The electric bills for the house are outrageous, though my housemate and I have cut back on our usage to about 50% of what it was here a few years ago. There is no ductwork upstairs and adding it is not financially feasible for me now. I have just gone through a divorce and so this is the first winter I will be paying all the energy bills myself. I don't know how much my husband was paying for oil, just that each delivery was several hundred dollars. Gas has been pretty cheap, but it is only used for the fireplace (occasional use) and the basement furnace (which my housemate, who lives down there, doesn't turn up much). The electric bills are very high. My financial situation is precarious because of the divorce, so I am not certain what my best options are here. This is what I see at the moment: 1. Keep old oil furnace until it really dies. It won't get serviced unless I convince another oil company to service it. 42 years old, so could break down any time, probably in January when it's really cold. Keep paying horrible oil prices. Not very green, but no big upfront outlay until... 2. Get new oil furnace. Keep paying horrible oil prices. Not green, and now I've just made a big financial outlay for something that burns oil... 3. Get new gas furnace. Presumably requires extending gas piping to furnace location from elsewhere in the basement. (Not sure if there is any infrastructure there for it already.) Some cost of doing the piping, but it's a relatively short distance. Have been told that with old furnaces there may be asbestos abatement issues -- not sure if this is the case with mine. Also, something has to be done with the old oil tank. I do not know what would be required -- it seems to vary depending on the situation -- but it seems likely to be expensive. Still not too green, is it? But financially it might cut the monthly heating bills in half. 4. Go all electric. Not sure at all how this is done... electric furnace? Heat pump? What? My head is spinning. I do know that the bulky ductless heating things that go up near the ceiling would be very very ugly in my Craftsman house, so I don't want that. I hate my existing electric baseboard heaters and do not want more! I want to be rid of the ones I have. The problem with the existing oil tank is still here with this option. Probably wouldn't lower the heating bills as much as I would like, though currently it should be cheaper than the oil heat. 5. Is there something else I'm forgetting? Wood stoves are probably not an option. :) I was told "Call Puget Sound Energy and they can get you set up with a new gas furnace and installer, etc." When I asked PSE, they didn't seem able to do any of that -- just said I should call a contractor. I'm feeling very overwhelmed by this; I don't know who to call, what the right questions are to ask, how to keep this from killing me financially, etc. If my financial situation were different, I would just pay people to get this done one way or another, but I can't do that this time. So what I need is information to help me make an informed choice of what to do as far as the heat is concerned, and recommendations of honest contractors/companies I can call to assess the situation, or sell me the heating equipment, or install it. Sorry this is so long!

  • Answer:

    Get a gas furnace, end of story. Your gas company may offer incentives to change out the oil setup, remove the tank, etc.

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You might qualify for http://www.seattle.gov/housing/HomeWise/ on heater replacement costs. Seems worth investigating.

Mr. Six

Yeah, Community Power Works in Seattle will set you up with an energy audit that is pretty thorough for a reasonable and city-subsidized fee. I think mine was around $90. They come in, check out the furnace, measure insulation, look at ducts and pipes, take infrared photos of likely sources of heat loss, all kinds of helpful stuff. Like you, I have an oil furnace in Seattle and am trying to figure out if it makes sense to replace it. I think we spend about $800 per year on oil for an 800 square foot house, all heated with oil, and none of the house very well insulated. Anyway, the energy auditor should let you know what kind of rebates you might be eligible for through various sources, whether it makes more sense to upgrade to a better oil furnace, a gas furnace, or a heat pump. The people that did my audit in Seattle were pretty up front about which upgrades were a good return on investment and which weren't. Like you, I was a bit overwhelmed with all of the options but I felt much more in control of the situation after talking with the energy auditor, following him around the house, asking a bunch of questions. Good luck!

bepe

High efficiency gas would be a great choice. And, the move to high-efficiency may still qualify you for rebates as well as tax deductions.

quince

Check out http://www.communitypowerworks.org/ for rebates for homeowners (not limited to low-income homeowners). I had work done through them at it was a great process all around. I opted for ductless mini-splits and they've been great. They're a bit more expensive upfront, but so high efficient that I'm saving a ton overall.

brookeb

Hi, all! Thanks for all your advice back in August. Here's what ended up happening: I got a gas furnace. Someone I know with a similar old house recommended the guy who had just installed his new gas furnace. I hired him, and he did a great job. He also ran a gas line into the kitchen so someday I can have my dream stove. The old oil furnace was removed and the oil tank was filled with some sort of inert substance, then capped with concrete. That part cost around $900 including the permit from the City. This was in October, if I recall correctly. Winter's almost over now, and this isn't the best winter to judge, since it's the warmest winter in Seattle's recorded weather history, but the cost of the gas in our coldest month was only half of what we were previously paying per month for oil -- all 12 months a year. (The oil was on a budget plan that spread the cost around the whole year to make payments more affordable.) So the highest gas payment is only for a month or so in winter. In summer, when the gas isn't used for heat, the bill will be back to the tiny charge it was before. This is a HUGE savings for me. No question about it. If anyone else reads this with a similar question -- get the gas furnace.

litlnemo

I should probably add the info that I am in South Seattle, so PSE is my gas company, but Seattle City Light is my electric company. We used to get oil from Genesee Oil but if I start to use oil again, I would look into what other companies are out there.

litlnemo

Thanks all so far! If anyone has anything else to add, please do! "I was going to recommend ductless mini-split units--I'm preparing to install a two-unit one in my 1901 Craftsman--because they'll be the cheapest and easiest to install, but you're right that the aesthetics can be off-putting. (I like the way they look, but I also like trolleybus wires and exposed concrete, thus proving that tastes are different.)" I guess I am curious about them, then. The only ones I have seen were just huge, and they really wouldn't work here -- but perhaps I haven't seen all the ones that are out there. I like trolleybus wires and exposed concrete too, but the electric units I saw just seemed to be white plastic. So if you want to recommend what you are installing, please do tell me more. Thanks!

litlnemo

"Ductless" minisplits can be used with ducts, too. It depends on the layout of your house, but it's possible to install one or more ducted indoor units like http://www.fujitsu-general.com/global/products/vrf/indoor/duct/index.html (other manufacturers also offer them). They can be installed in a central location and then ducted to the various rooms with relatively short lengths of ducting (e.g. in the ceiling of the corridor leading to the bedrooms).

Monday, stony Monday

He drilled a hole in your working furnace? weird. I thought I needed a new furnace, so I got an energy audit and I got 3 estimates. The company that tried to make me get a new furnace was full of crap, my 22 year old furnace was repaired, and all is well. If I had access to natural gas, I'd convert, because it's cheaper and doesn't require as much maintenance. The energy audit should be a big help in making your choice. Check on rebates and tax credits, both likely to be available.

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