Considering a job with lots of travel -- give me your pros and cons
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I have been looking for a new job for quite some time, and recently something interesting popped up on my radar. It's in my field, but in a different role than I've previously worked, and would require extensive international travel on a regular basis, but with promises of lots of time off in between trips. I have a spouse and two young kids. What does the hive mind think? I've been wanting to leave my job for quite some time -- the hours are draining (regular 70 hour weeks factoring in commute), I am micromanaged, and the work environment is relentlessly negative. The only upside is that I travel rarely and weekend work is pretty much nonexistent. The long hours mean I leave before my kids wake up in the morning and I get home in time to see them for maybe 45-60 minutes each night. I'm ready to be done with this. Unfortunately, I work in an industry where long hours are the norm, so searching for a new line of work at the moment is not a viable option, at least in the short term (commute is also non-negotiable for other reasons). I've searched for the past year for similar jobs in less crazy markets, to no avail. However, I've unexpectedly been offered a (rare) new position in my same field, but in a very different role. It would allow me considerable personal autonomy, the person who recommended me for the job can't say enough good things about the management, and the work sounds very interesting. The downside is that it would require considerable international travel -- about 40% of the time. The travel would be broken up in chunks -- a week here, 10 days there -- with one trip each year lasting approximately 16 days. However, I've been assured that I would be free to take extensive time off between trips. The previous incumbent in this job confirmed that this was the case. For example, if I traveled from Sunday to Saturday, I could get away with taking Mon-Wed off work before returning to the office on Thursday. It's been described as a sort of perk for spending so much time in the air. Much of the travel is in Latin America (I am in North America), so jet lag won't be a huge issue. This job would be for two years. The obvious downside seems to be the long periods away. My wife is a consultant who works from home and our kids are school-aged, so childcare is not an issue, but her burden would increase when I am away. The upside seems to be that when I am actually home, I'll have periods of unbroken time with my wife and kids -- time that I never get at my current position. My wife is on the fence as well -- the time away would be hard, but the promise of unbroken stretches together -- which we almost never get currently -- is very attractive to both of us. If I take the new job there will be no chance of returning to the old one. To those who have traveled a lot for work -- what do you think of this trade-off? What am I not considering.
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I travel 40-60% of the time for work, including internationally. One thing to consider is that the perk of having Mon-Wed off won't seem that way so much when you're really tired from traveling internationally and just need a day or two to recover. So you might have more time with your wife and kids (and if your wife is working from home, she's still working, how much time can you spend with her other than being in the same house?) but is it really going to be quality time? Are there going to be a bunch of "chores" and errands and husband/wife/kid discussions that normally you get done during the week? (Also, in the example you described, you really only got 1 extra day off if you assume have two days off for a normal work week, because you could say you're "owed" the Sunday before and the Saturday you returned. But I realize that may be just a hypothetical you threw out there.) Is it worth it to trade seeing your kids for 45 minutes every day for not seeing them for a whole week? Especially since you say you have weekends off? Another thing is the day before you travel also gets screwed up, because you're thinking about the trip, you may need to pack, you may have to go to bed early, you may have to run various errands, you may be trying to cram in everything you want to do before you're gone. Third, A) you will be placing an incredible burden on your wife, who also has a job. And that's just logistical, not emotional. You will not be there to share the responsibility and not only will this stress her out, this could cause some serious resentment about bearing an unequal share of the load for your career. Then there's the extra stress of your absence on your marriage as a relationship, for both of you, but it will affect her the most because she has everything else to deal with - you have a bad day at work, you go to your hotel, eat (a meal someone else prepared), complain to her over skype, read for awhile. She won't be able to do that. Or your child is in trouble at school, and all you'll be able to do is talk it over with her - that'll be stressful on both of you for different reasons. I say this as the spouse that travels with an incredibly supportive husband, and we don't even have kids. Everything could be fine, but the potential is there. Look at it this way - if she works from home, you may be her major source of contact with the outside world that isn't a child - will she have negative feelings about you getting to experience international destinations while she gets to... be at home, both working from home and doing all the work FOR home? Never underestimate the pressures and stresses this can put on a marriage. Because most of the people with whom I work also travel, I get to observe that the number one stress about it is the strain it puts on relationships. Third, B) Be honest with yourself about this opportunity - is it an opportunity for you beyond what you've described, i.e. maybe experience cool places, or the chance to "escape" and get to concentrate on a cool job while someone else gets the bulk of the responsibility while you're gone? You mention, for example, that the 70 hours includes a commute. . .have you considered moving closer? Have you looked for other opportunities elsewhere? You're obviously hire-able. This isn't a judgement at all - one of the reasons why I love to travel for my job is that I absolutely crave that kind of lifestyle, and I have a spouse that's supportive of that, but only because we've worked out a way for us to both be happy (he comes along on a lot of trips, for example). Once we have kids, I'll have to give it up, but I know personally it will be tough to do and I'll selfishly long for those "good ol' days." If there's any part of you that wants to do this other than the reasons you describe, it's good to know this because you need to be able to communicate openly with your wife to make this work. You're going to be lonely. You're going to miss your family. You can fill that void with work. You can fill that void with other things, too - there's a reason why hotel bars are popular with business men traveling. You can fill that void with face time with your kids and wife. You can fill that void with t.v. I suggest either work or a hobby around ROUTINE face time, something you can do on a plane and sitting in the airport. Okay, after you've considered all that - and I'm going to say it again, make sure your relationship with your wife is solid (I know nothing about you, your wife, or what work either of you do, but I do see your previous MeFi question) - this does sound like a much better opportunity than where you are working now, and if you think that it will work, go for it. You may really love it. But in the back of your mind, have a back-up plan, don't hesitate to say it's not working, and don't place yourself in a box of "well, it's not working, but I only need to stick it out x more months." Be more flexible than that. Don't place self-limits on your choices. And above all, this has to be okay with your wife.
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Data point of one here. I have been in my position for almost ten years, and travel has always been a part of it. Somewhere in the middle there, Facetime became a viable thing, and I can tell you it had a dramatic impact on how much less burdensome travel is. It really is incredible how much it helps to be able to videochat with my wife and kids every evening when on the road - for us at least, it makes me being away a much less big deal. Given that, I think if I were in the position you describe, I'd take the new gig.
jbickers
That's not a shit ton of travel. And you'll be home a lot more during the weeks when you ARE home. One thing to do is to take the burden off of the parent left home with the kiddos. So if the new job will allow you to hire a sitter, a house cleaner, some delivery and/or premade meals, so much the better. During the summer, you can bring everyone with you on some of the longer trips. I traveled a lot in one of my jobs and I rather enjoyed it. I didn't have kids though. If you can be happier in your work, I think this would be a great thing for you. But you know whose opinion most matters (besides your own?) Your wife's. If she's on-board and willing to experiment around to see how things work, I think you may both be very happy with the new gig. Plus international stuff is great for your career. Sometimes you make sacrifices now, for large payoffs later.
Ruthless Bunny
Depends on your age and your love of travel. If you do this, maximize everything. Frequent flyer miles on your personal accounts, hotel stay points, rental car points, travel expense points. Be ready to have some well made functional luggage and to have to financially float your travel expenses; keep track with five minutes to tally every day so you can submit for reimbursement quickly upon your return. Make special time per kid, as well, on your return - Daddy days - and relief for your spouse as well, sometimes a good "me-cation" is a trade off for travel, depending on her needs / wants / interests. As someone who supported a spouse with alternating 0% travel and 100% travel ... build some relief help into the budget. Babysitter night when you are on a long trip, laundry or food service, something. Video chatting with dad to practice spelling or math facts or have story time helped a lot.
Buttons Bellbottom
I think this needs to be your wife's call. I know that it wouldn't be workable for my family. Putting myself in your wife's shoes, I'd worry that in addition to its obvious logistical burdens - being the only one to be there for the kids 40% of the time - I think it would by necessity require your wife to sort of build a different emotional infrastructure to take care of her needs 40% of the time, and I know that would be a dangerous thing for my marriage.
fingersandtoes
I’ve been on a travel assignment for close to 18 months now. I can’t speak to the family aspects, since I’m single with no kids and my travel is a little different than what you would be doing – I travel every week to the same city. I think lots of people have given you good advice on the wife and family front, but how is all this travel going to impact you? If you end up not liking the actual travel, that’s going to impact your family too. The things that I would consider are: -How do you like flying? I’m able to always take direct flights of around 2.5 hours, but that still translates to almost 7 hours of travel each time I fly, and I find those days totally exhausting. Are you going to end up tired and grouchy on the first day you are home from each trip? -How do you feel about living in hotels? And what kind of hotels will you be staying in? Short term it always seems relaxing to stay in a hotel, but it can get to be a grind living out of a suitcase in one room. Also, are you going to be able to spend time away from the hotel in the evenings? It can be a real effort to not just collapse on the bed in front of the TV and order room service every night. -It took less than 2 weeks for me to go from loving eating out for every meal to hating it. And some of my colleagues that travel with me have put on considerable weight in the past 18 months from all the eating out. -What are the expectations of working hours when you are traveling? It is sort of assumed at my company that when we are traveling we really don’t have anything else to be doing, so we should be putting in long hours. This can be tough when you want to make time to video chat with the family, eat a decent dinner and work-out/relax. -How flexible is the scheduling of your trips? Are you going to end up locked into a trip that is going to create a conflict with your family? Knowing what I know now, I still would have accepted this assignment, but I wish I had a better idea going in how hard it was going to be on me. All I really thought about before saying yes was the extra money and the advancement opportunities and not that much about what the day to day would be like, so I would say to really spend some time thinking about that.
Sabby
My dad travelled so much for work he essentially lived elsewhere 80-90% of the time for a couple years while I was growing up. It didn't really affect me but it was hell on my mother who had to parent AND work all the time without a break. They had no choice, it was either he take the job or they lose their house, so it was felt to be a team effort and joint sacrafice (he would never have choosen to be away from us willingly). This is not the case here and you have the luxury to choose what works best for the whole family. What you are describing is you having a bunch of responsibility-free mini-vacations that improve your life/career and massively negatively impact your wife's life (and your children's lives). If you are gone sat-sun (8 days), being home Mon-Wed is not really a fair compensation, especially if during that time your children will be in school and your wife working so you essentially get more "me alone time". This way breeds resentment. Would the new position allow your wife to drop her current level of income-producing work and hire help to replace what you will no longer be able to do? Can she ramp up her social life so she won't feel so isolated? How will that work with childcare and will she feel guilty about using childcare so much more? Does this mean she can't do some things in her career because she knows you will be unable to provide the logistical support? Are all the periods together going to be on YOUR schedule or will she be able to say, "ok, you are away sat-sun for eight days, don't take the next three days off, instead take the Thursday off and then Tuesday of the following week and Friday on the 6th so we can spend time together then when it fits in my schedule"? From here, all the pros are in your column and all the cons are in her (and the kids) column. You need to move some cons over to affect you and put a lot of pros in her column. A good test is to imagine the roles reversed; if your wife was offered this opportunity what would you need to change about your lives to make this work? I did a lot of travelling for work for a while - and I loved it as it was very intellectually stimulating and a great leadership role - but it was a huge amount of work for me (as primary caregiver of my children they came with me 75% of the time) and my parents (who looked after the children when I could not bring them). Taking kids on business trips generally sucks for them, there is nowhere enough time to do anything fun with them, I was constantly torn between looking after them and work (ducking out of meetings, leaving earlier than the men that didn't have children, etc), spent a tonne of money to compensate for what I wasn't present for in their lives, and I worked in a VERY pro-family environment. I was completely exhausted, constantly. I look forward to picking up that job, when I no longer have young children who will be so negatively impacted.
saucysault
My husband is gone Mo-Th for about 40 weeks per year. We have a 6-old boy. Occasionally he is home for a week or even two in a row, and then gone again. While your travel pattern as you describe it would be different and more irregular, I think there are enough similarities to share experience. What it means for me is I have to basically arrange our everyday life as if I were a single parent. And in addition deal with our son's reactions to the absences. You say your children are school age - even while child care may not be a problem their emotional lives wil be affected. Not necessarily badly (interesting reports above on how people experienced their parent being away for work). But it is a factor to be aware of and she will have to deal with it alone. What I am trying to say is it will heavily impact your wife's life. It does not need to be a diseaster at all, it works quite well for us in fact on the whole, but it is drain on the parent remaining behind. One of the reasons it works well for us is because my husband has quite a lot of control over the dates he will be absent. So he can actually schedule around dates which will be important to either our son (presentations at kindergarten, plays, his birthday) or to me (I work flexible hours most of the time but not always, sometimes I do evenings or early morning). So I would look into that: how much control will you have over when you go and for how long a stretch? And when you are not travelling and not staying home in exchange for travel, will you need to work from a local office? Or from home? From what you wrote I was not sure but if you actually were to travel Sunday to Saturday and then home Mo-We and then off again Thursday, this is not much compensation in my mind. As others have pointed out depending on where you live and where you go to you can easily spend hours and hours in travel. Look at travel times door to door rather than flight time form city A to city B. If you need to travel on to remote sites this will not only extend travel time but can jeopardise your return flight. since we had the child my husband commutes just to a neighbor country, to avoid being trapped by missed connections due to remote sites. His company arranges every detail of the trips, door to door and he is paid door to door. Do consider who arranges the travel, if will you need to do it it will take up your time and nerves. Consider reimbursement etc, my husband is meticoulos with that (has to be) but it does take time, and his taxes also take more time than for other people (but then that may be local tax law). One area where his job has seriously affected our live choces is that we need to remain in a city with an international airport in order to keep travel times reasonable. We would prefer to live a less urban life and move into the country but this would easily add 4 hours to the commute each way and so is just not feasable.
15L06
My mom was stay-at-home until I went to school at age 5, at which point she took a job that required that she be away for 3-4 days at a time, usually during the week but sometimes the travel would bleed over to the weekend. During certain times of year these trips would happen 3-4 times a month, while at other times there would be no travel for a solid couple of months. These trips were in addition to her regular work hours; if a trip bled into the weekend, then she just got overtime and effectively lost the weekend. My dad worked full time. My mom had this job for about 2.5 years if I remember correctly, and left that job solely because she was given a better offer close to home. In my experience, it worked out fine. My mom would make up a calendar showing what times she would be able to receive phone calls from me. It wasn't very often, and it was often late at night (I don't remember exactly what time; it may have been only an hour or two past my bedtime). I didn't mind because I got to stay up late sometimes to call her. She would also leave scavenger hunt-type games for me and my dad to play. There were some nights when I was sad that my mom wasn't around, but overall it worked out fine, and I don't feel that it was a difficult time for the family at all. In fact, I kind of enjoyed being able to stay up in my room reading after bedtime - my mom would check on me to make sure I was actually in bed, but my dad always fell asleep before me, so I could stay awake as long as I didn't make any noise. I am an only child, FWIW.
Urban Winter
I've been assured that I would be free to take extensive time off between trips. The previous incumbent in this job confirmed that this was the case. This is the sort of thing that I would deh-heh-hefinitely want in writing as an official benefit, rather than relying on "confirmation" from the current person holding the job.
threeants
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