Subaru Legacy, Mazda 6, or Toyota Camry? Opinions, please
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In the spirit of http://ask.metafilter.com/277562/Mazda-and-Honda-owners-what-annoys-you-about-your-car, I'd like to ask for opinions from people who have or have had a Subaru Legacy, Mazda 6, or Toyota Camry (hybrid or regular). We're having a second baby in July, and we don't think two car seats and all the kid paraphernalia (we also have a 2.5 year old) will fit in our 2004 Honda Civic. We're looking at new cars. I test drove a Subaru Outback, a Subaru Legacy, and a Mazda 6. I didn't much like the Outback. I'm planning to go to a Toyota dealership to test out the Camry and Camry hybrid soon. Anyone with any experience of those cars? Any other similar cars that we might like? What we do and don't want: Automatic transmission only, please. I can't drive a manual (well, I've only tried once, and don't really have the time now to learn). It has to be able to fit 2 car seats, ideally 2 rear-facing car seats (one Graco SnugRide 35 and one Evenflo SureRide) and have an adult sit in the back seat. I really liked the backup camera on the Subaru Legacy and the Mazda 6. It showed markers showing 1 foot, 2 feet, and 4 feet behind the car. I am not good at estimating distances, so this is something I really want. I really want antilock brakes- my first car had them, my Civic doesn't (and I still miss them 10 years on). Mr. Neville really wants lane drift warning, blind spot detection, and preventive braking. I really want to be able to play songs from my iPhone using the car stereo (with a toddler girl, "Let It Go" gets a lot of play on my phone in the car), the Civic does not do this. I live in Pittsburgh. My car has to deal well with ice/snow and potholes. One of the major drawbacks of the Civic was that it didn't do well in ice and snow. This was a problem this winter. I've heard that the Subaru all-wheel drive is good for this. How do the Mazda 6 and Toyota Camry do in ice and snow? I would like to get a windshield wiper on the back window, but the Legacy and 6 don't seem to have that :( Does the Camry? One thing I really liked about the Civic was that it was a good reliable car to get me from point A to point B without a lot of fuss or maintenance. That is something I definitely want in my new car. It takes me a while to get used to a different car, so I don't like changing cars often. I'm also not a fan of car shopping. I want something that will last for a while. As long as it's not something ugly like a Pontiac Aztek or a PT Cruiser, I don't really care about looks. I'm not looking to impress anybody with my car, unless someone might be impressed by the amount of cracker crumbs, old receipts, or toddler toys in it. I don't care about a car being fun to drive- I don't really enjoy driving, and have never found a car to be fun to drive. I'd get a self-driving car if I could. I don't want anything super big. I have to parallel park regularly, but I'm not that good at it. We have a small garage where we could not park a very long car (we are pretty sure the Legacy or the 6 will fit in it). I'm 5'4", have short legs, and do not like having to step way up to get into a car. I don't want something that's too low, either- I'm 22 weeks pregnant right now, and will be having the baby by C section, so there will be an extended period of time when I have no abdominal muscles. We don't do any long car trips. My daily driving limit is about 5 hours (Baltimore or DC). We've driven to Chicago in 2 days. I would not want to take longer car trips than this. We do want more trunk space than the Civic has. The Legacy and 6 seem to have this, haven't looked at the Camry yet. I know hybrid cars at least sometimes used to not have as much trunk space- is this true of the Camry hybrid? Anyone have or had a Subaru Legacy, Mazda 6, or Toyota Camry? Anyone have any other suggestions that might work? Bueller?
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Answer:
My parents had a 1980's Camry that they loved, and retired with over 300,000 miles on it -- they drove that car from Houston, TX to Michigan every year with two adults, two children, and a Labrador retriever in it. They replaced it with another Camry. I drove a 1999 Camry up until last year -- I have two children -- when an uninsured 19 year old who was texting while driving (no, I'm not bitter, why do you ask?) hit a patch of water on the highway and spun into me at 80+ miles per hour. My car was structurally totalled, the central pillar was sheared off under the striker, but I retained control of the vehicle and was not only able to get it safely to the shoulder, but drove it home, albeit very carefully because the driver's side window was smashed. I had some whiplash, but the only scratch on my body was from where one of the pieces of glass got trapped in my bra. I loved that car. While we were waiting for the insurance claim to process, we were rented a 2014 Camry. It was great -- powerful and responsive. I only drove it for a week and a half, but I wished we could have bought it. We replaced our car with a Corolla because we couldn't afford the payments on a Camry, but I would have bought another one in a heartbeat. TL;DR: I feel very warmly about Toyotas in general and Camrys in particular.
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Have you checked the Subaru Crosstrek? I had a '98 Outback (Back then it was "Legacy Outback") and adored it. Ice, snow, no problem. But now the Outback is a huge vehicle. The Crosstrek looks to be in the same size/height that my old Outback was, so lots of snow clearance without driving a monster car.
getawaysticks
Full disclosure: I'm a member of the cult of Subaru. However, I also live in Pittsburgh, and feel you 110% on our needs with hills and winter weather. My "oh god our previous mayor has skipped town during the worst snowstorm of the century" car is our Forrester. But my everyday (save for maybe 10 days this winter, tops, and I leave for work before a lot of roads are cleared) car is our Legacy. I just wrote the check to pay it off, so it's probably 5 years old or so, but honestly, I don't see trading either car until they die. (The Forrester has over 100,000 miles on it and the Legacy over 50,000 - we road trip often.) So most of what I can address are winter weather issues (yes, with good snow tires, I'm comfortable living in Mt. Washington and commuting off of it), size, and comfort. We've comfortably fit three adults in the backseat, and I'm about your height, so with the seat pulled almost all of the way up, there is AMPLE room in the back for someone behind me. Plus some. The trunk is enormous (tip, the guys at Bowser aren't amused when you make jokes about hiding bodies in a trunk as big as the Legacy, especially if you also ask about stain proofing...) Our previous sedan was a Civic, and I feel like the Legacy is a step up in size, but also in comfort. I'm not a small woman, and I feel like the Legacy fits me better. Also, save for having the headlights burn out more often than I might like (I always run my lights), and regular oil changes, we haven't had much need to have it worked on either. Feel free to ping me if you have specific questions.
librarianamy
I know hybrid cars at least sometimes used to not have as much trunk space- is this true of the Camry hybrid? According to the manufacturers' specs, the current-generation non-hybrid models you're considering all have about 15 cubic feet of trunk space. (The Camry has the most with 15.4 cu. ft.) The Camry Hybrid has 13.1 cubic feet of trunk space, almost the same as a 2004 Civic 4-door sedan (12.9 cubic feet).
mbrubeck
Oh, and addressing something librarianamy said with the headlights -- the Legacy (at least mine, and probably hers based on the year) use H7 bulbs for the lights. These bulbs just plain go after ~11 months. My boss has a BMW 3 series which uses H7s and has the same issue. I just watch the Amazon goldbox and pick up 4 or 5 pair whenever they go on sale. They're really easy to swap out yourself.
bfranklin
Hi! I live in Pittsburgh (south hills) and commute to Fox Chapel for work. I have an 05 Legacy. I have a 4 year old and a 2 year old. You would be very, very, very hard pressed to get me to purchase anything other than another Legacy for my next car. Fitting an adult in the back with the two car seats is tight but doable, depending on how wide your hips are. I think you're going to run into this problem with ALL of your choices though -- I can barely fit my hips between the car seats in my wife's Mazda CX-9 SUV. I am a relatively slim man. This problem is going to be worse with the full size booster seats than the two rear-facing car seats, surprisingly -- I fit tightly between the rear facing, I do not fit between the front facing. The AWD on the Subaru is fantastic. I have only ever fishtailed it twice, and both times I was driving like an ass. Both times it corrected just fine. The autostick feature is really great for the snow -- you can start from 2nd gear at a stop to reduce torque and spin, and utilize engine breaking for more gentle stops without risking wheel lock. My legacy is also really easy to work on. I will happily admit that quality tires are WAY more important than AWD for getting around in the winter (and I know -- I spent four years commuting from the south to the north in a Mustang). Do not underestimate this, regardless of your purchase. As stated, in another 5-10 years when I finally kill my Subaru, it's probably going to be another Legacy for me.
bfranklin
The Mazda5 minivan is actually 10 inches shorter than the 2015 Camry, but has more cargo and passenger space. Might be worth checking out. A small minivan is not very hard to park; the higher seating position and improved visibility can actually make it easier than a mid-size sedan. Is there still a separate Subaru Legacy wagon? Sadly, no. In the US especially, traditional station wagons are gradually being replaced with "crossovers" like the new Outback.
mbrubeck
I have a 10 year old Mazda 3. The interior is not much different in the 6 (2730 vs 2824 litres) . You can fit two car seats but the space that's left between is very small. I've squeezed into it (I'm 5'4" 120lbs) but it was a very uncomfortable ride. Mazdas are brutal for rust, especially in snowy climates. All that salt I guess. Mine was fixed under extended warranty a few years back and there are still chunks of the wheel well falling off this winter. My 8 yo takes great pleasure in kicking at them. Other than that the car has been quite good. FWIW I'm pretty sure my next car is going to be the Outback, uncomfortable seats or not. More space, good gas milage, AWD, higher profile, long lasting and can tow. It's a winter friendly kidmobile. I also looked at the Nissan Rogue, Honda CRV, Mazda CX-5, Forester, Crosstrek and the Toyota RAV 4. The ones with the most interior passenger space are the Forester, Outback, CRV and CX5. The RAV 4, CRV, Outback and Forester have the most cargo space (with the seats up, I haven't calculated with seats down).
Cuke
I bought a Mazda 6 in January and love, love, love it. But I live in North Carolina and my kids are grown. I specifically bought it as a rite of passage, giving up my Mom Car/Highlander; I'm not hauling around football equipment and slumber-party survivors any more, plus we hardly get any snow so the 4WD was overkill. If I still had little kids and lived in Pittsburgh, I'd be looking at a Subaru (my husband has an Outback and loves, loves, loves it).
Sweetie Darling
Hertz has Mazdas; looks like Dollar has Subarus; pretty much everyone shows Camrys as rentable. You can generally reserve a specific car online, but you can also just call the local office of the appropriate rental agency and tell them you want to rent whatever specific model because you're trying before buying and you're not very particular about dates but you really want that specific car. They'll sort you.
Eyebrows McGee
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