First Aid Techniques?

What do NRA members think about first-aid training as a prerequisite for gun permits?

  • I'd like to receive critiques of the proposal below: -Prior to receiving any handgun purchase/carry permit in state X, the applicant must complete first-aid training with a group of 5-20 peers and other permit applicants, administered by a trained first responder and overseen by a law-enforcement officer. -The single-day first-aid training course would cover responses to gunshot wounds, along with general first-aid techniques, to include CPR. -Successful completion of the program would result in approval for the handgun permit, based on written and physical exams, and would also receive a certificate for the first-aid techniques mastered. There would be no mandatory waiting period between certification and receiving the permit. -An applicant could continue to retake the exams until a passing grade is received. -At the training venue, representatives from volunteer first-aid organizations would solicit training participants to consider enrolling for search-and-rescue and other civic-assistance programs. -In general, LEOs would observe whether applicants are in a dissociative psychological state, are fit to use a handgun, or have been the subject of recent investigations or checks on personal welfare. -The applicant could benefit from the first-aid knowledge, along with participation in a civic-minded group activity that confers recognition for his or her training and suggests a personal role in assisting his or her community. Resources: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

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    If the training was offered as part of a state-sanctioned CCW training course, possibly.  There is a problem with your proposal.  You've inserted psychological evaluation into the mix under the guise of first aid: In  general, LEO oversight would ensure that applicants are not in a  dissociative psychological state, are fit to use a handgun, and have not  been the subject of recent investigations or checks on personal  welfare. Law enforcement officers are in no way trained or qualified to make that evaluation in the context of a first-aid course.  This would have to be dropped. It would have to be a Red Cross class and not a state-demanded curriculum.  People should not be required to train to the level of paramedic in order to qualify.  And the class availability should not be conditioned on the receipt of a permit.  Like any training requirement, the lack of training can be used as a defacto ban or restriction.  If the requirements of the class can be changed at will, it becomes a restriction on a right.  So if you can't sign up to the one class the anti-gun state has scheduled at 2am on a Sunday once every 3 months that requires 100 participants and a passing grade of 99%, you get the permit and can take the class when available. And since so many people argue the police are there to protect me, allow me to turn it: the paramedics are there to provide medical attention, not me.  What if the criminal survives after the permit holder shoots them and then sues on the basis their attempt to apply first aid aggravated their injuries?  And what do you do about states where carry doesn't require a permit? I don't see how this proposal is civic-minded.  I see it as just another hurdle to the exercise of a right.  If anything, I would make a condition of a driver's license since that is a privilege, not a right.

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I think more people knowing first aid is a good thing overall. But you seem to be missing an important point - if you shoot someone, the intention is to kill them.

Matt Wasserman

I’m not a NRA member, but I’m 100% against it.Just seems an elaborate way to make “gun permits” (I assume you mean for a CCW) harder and more expensive to get. And more selective. All of which I’m against.Now I’m just curious, why first aid training in conjunction with a CCW licensing? Is it to train gun owners to resuscitate the people they shot? Because I can guarantee you, if I need to shoot someone in self defense, I will never resuscitate them even if it was safe for me to do so.

Stefan Progovac

Why on earth would I want to patch up someone who presented a lethal threat to me and needed to be shot? Let him get his own medical aid. But lets require first aid classes for people who drive cars, use power tools, skateboard and sit in. They are much more likely to need it than gun owners.

Kurt Hyllested

I think training in the safe handling and use of firearms would be far more effective. If God forbid someone does get shot unintentionally, you're likely dealing with a traumatic injury that would go far beyond first aid.

Anthony Stark

You really don't comprehend "Shall not be infringed," do you? Why not provide the same caveat for the First Amendment? How would you feel if only those who passed a test could legally express their views.

Tom Occhipinti

First aid for a gunshot is to apply pressure and call 911. You are not going to be trained to remove the bullet or apply a torniqut, so why bother?Its just another attempt to reduce gun rights.

Ryan Payne

It would be similar to requiring everyone to get the training.  Any difference in the probability of needing such skills is probably statistically insignificant between gun owners and non-owners. While it would be great if everyone had the training, it's not very practical.  I had a bit of it in high school health class but it was too cursory to be useful. "Gun permit" is also a bit vague, made worse by currently changing laws.

Anonymous

I fail to see any justification to require gun permits. First aid training is always a good idea.

Al Saibini

I think basic first aid training should be required for all people.  This should be an area covered in basic education in public schools.  I can't imagine why it is not. All branches of the military have basic first aid training as part of their basic training.  This might be considered related to weapons but I don't think it is the primary reason for this training.  It is just something that everyone should know.  I personally have never been shot and never been around anyone with a gunshot wound but I have many times taken advantage of the basic training of how to stop or slow bleeding long enough to get to a hospital emergency room for proper treatment. I will simply ignore the notion of gun permits and prerequisites for those imaginary government permission slips included in this question.

Paul Mulwitz

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