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Mathematical Puzzles: How can someone pick a number with uniform probability from a large set of numbers, given a small random number generator? [note: see details]

  • Given  a large set of numbers S={1,⋯,n}S={1,⋯,n}S =\left \{ 1, \cdots , n  \right \} and a uniform random generator that picks numbers from a  smaller set {1,⋯,m}{1,⋯,m}\{ 1, \cdots , m \}, where m≪nm≪nm \ll n  ; is there a method to pick a number from S with uniform probability  without repetition? For repetition i mean: i can simulate a large dice with a coin (or a generator that picks numbers from set {1,2}{1,2}\{ 1,2 \}  ) via binary numbers. I throw the coin k times to create a binary  number of k digits, but with k digits my "virtual" dice can represent  2k2k2^k numbers and can be true that 2k>n2k>n2^k>n, so  if the process simulate a number that is greater than n, i must repeat  it. This is an evolution of this question: http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/273052/pick-a-card-from-a-set-with-the-help-of-a-dice

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    Suppose a∗n=mka∗n=mka*n = m^k for some integers aaa and kkk. Then a/mk=1/na/mk=1/na/m^k = 1/n, so you can generate k rolls and interpret it as a base-m number. If it is less than a, choose 1. If it is less than 2*a, choose 2. Etc. That solves the case where n eventually divides m^k. This happens exactly if every prime factor of n is also a prime factor of m. If this isn't the case, you're out of luck: every scheme involves generating some number of rolls and splitting them up in some way, so we can only achieve probabilities with a power of m in the denominator. But 1/n cannot be written in this way. You can always get arbitrarily close to uniform, though.

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After kkk rolls there are going to be mkmkm^k states you could be in.  If mkmkm^k never is a multiple of nnn (as is the case when n has a prime factor that m does not) then it will never be possible to get a truly uniform distribution with a finite number of rolls in the worst case.  However, the expected number of rolls is actually quite reasonable using the below generalized algorithm. base := 1 len := n while base + len > floor(base) + 1 x := Draw from {1, ..., m} uinformly len := len / m base := base + len * (x - 1) output floor(base) The  idea is you start out with the interval [1,n+1)[1,n+1)[1, n+1) and each iteration you  divide it into m equal sections and you choose one.  At every iteration  of the algorithm the overlap with [y,y+1)[y,y+1)[y, y+1) of our interval gives the  relative probability of choosing y.  When the interval is contained  entirely in [y,y+1)[y,y+1)[y, y+1) for some integer y, then we output y. After the first O(logm(n))O(logm(n))O(log_m(n)) iterations of the loop there is always at least a chance of m−1mm−1m\frac{m-1}{m} the loop will terminate each iteration.  Additionally, if mkmkm^k ever is a multiple of nnn then the algorithm definitely will terminate in kkk iterations.

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