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Why do a lot of Indians who can't speak English properly have such a strong inferiority complex and/or hatred for the language?

  • I've experienced their hatred many times and in many places. If you speak fluent English, you're automatically labelled a show off. They say crap like, "Angrezi baath karke style martha hai" etc. And this is even when you are conversing in private among your own friends. And this isn't just the case with rural folk who are uneducated. Even doctors and engineers from top colleges do this. On the other hand, there are people who boast their knowledge of English and look down upon others who aren't fluent in it. Innate intelligence doesn't depend on the language which you speak, which is something that is environmental in nature. There are so many movements to preserve regional languages and the rights of regional language speakers. Why can't we have such a movement to spread awareness about the English language and its role in society? One might say that English is not native to India. But then again, Indian people have no problem accepting cricket (which is so huge in India) as a sport even though it originated in the west. I guess this is because cricket isn't divisive like the ability to speak English. I don't mean to imply that Indian languages must be discarded. After all, how hard is it to keep the diversity of languages in our country alive?                                       Responding to criticism: "What you are experiencing is not inferiority complex but a way to tell you that you are using wrong thing at the wrong place." "Yes,  there are people who suffer from Inferiority complex because of not  being able to communicate in English effectively, but a primary reason  why we have reached that point is because Indians (Read 12.16% of  English speaking Indians) have substituted education for English skills  and hence these non-english speaking people suffer due to such behavior  and when they see people trying to speak English at places where it is  not required at all, they get agitated. Also, there are many who  are comfortable/like using their mother tongue/other regional language  for informal communication and if you go and try to speak in English, it  does come out as show off. So, my advice will be to restrict  yourself to speaking English at places where it is really required. Its  okay to speak English among friends, if all of you like it, as a primary  means although its not all right to speak English at places where you  know another language that people around you are speaking in majority." All  your arguments are based on the flawed premise that I spoke English  where it was not required with someone who preferred another language or  who did not know English. That's the problem. Your assumption is wrong. I  have experienced ridicule and hatred for speaking English even amongst  my friends. Some of us who grew up in urban areas (where speaking  English is common among people) and studied in the kind of English  language schools where people actually speak proper English rather than  Hinglish or some such variant, find English to be comfortable. It's not  because we're show-offs or we're "westernised" (which is used as an  excuse for everything these days [like rape for instance]), but because  that's how we grew up. English comes to us naturally. English is our native language (in the technical sense as it is defined in the field of linguistics, i.e a native language is a language you learn within the critical period). As a result we tend to think in it (quite spontaneously too), and it becomes quite difficult to switch to another language at a later stage in life. Here's proof that this sort of stuff happens quite a bit with other people too: If someone is comfortable with Hindi, then I would speak that with them. If  some people have made English and intelligence/skill synonymous in  their minds without considering other factors like where a person grew  up, which language he/she studied in etc., then that is unfortunate.  Rest assured, I am not one of those people (as already mentioned in the  OP). I doubt that the mere ability to speak English is correlated with skill or intelligence (otherwise all the scientists who come from non-English speaking countries wouldn't exist), other than the fact that speaking English itself is a skill, just like speaking Bengali is. But, I think it is correlated with other things like coming from a high income family, living in a high income neighbourhood, having studied in a relatively expensive school etc. So we're dealing with a divide that isn't just linguistic but also financial, cultural etc. "Also, look at countries which are more developed then we  are (Read China, France, Germany, Switzerland, Spain etc.), they all  converse in their mother tongue. you will never find 2 Chinese or 2  Germans speaking to each other in English unless and until it's a formal  setup. " This is a flawed argument (but is also a favourite of many Indian people whose nationalism exceeds their sense of reality). None of these countries have  30+ languages. They don't educate their children in English for the most  part. English isn't a bridge language in between different states in  these countries. "Yes, it's the preferred way of office  communication, and to survive in corporate today, you need to have  average to decent English communication skills but that in no way  signifies that it should takeover your senses and become a preferred way  of life, since, you were born Indian and were gifted a mother tongue.  Learn to use your mother tongue or an Indian language at places where  it's not necessary to use English since you carry an Indian passport and  were born an Indian. " As already mentioned, I speak non-English languages with people who prefer them, if we have a common language to converse in. I  am not as fluent in my "mother tongue" as I am in English (which is my native language in the technical sense). My family  came from one part of the country and settled in a totally different  part. I grew up learning other languages (fairly well) but none of them  as properly as English. Even my friends and I grew up speaking English  with each other (doesn't mean we didn't speak other languages at all).  Last time I checked, I live in a democracy in which the constitution  guarantees its citizens the right to speak a language of their choice. I'm  sorry but you can't force two people who grew up speaking and are  comfortable with a certain language, to speak in a language which their  parents, grandparents etc. grew up speaking or which the majority  population in the area which they are residing in uses. And I'm talking  about when these people are talking with each other. Not when they are  talking to other people in that area. Yes, I was born in India  (which is nothing more than an accident of chance). But there are  populations within India where communicating in English is common. Maybe  you haven't been to certain urban areas in south India. India is too  vast a country for you to make generalisations. "Statements like 'movement to spread awareness about the English language and its role in society' very well signifies where your thinking stands" My  thinking stands for liberty when it comes to two (or more) individuals  speaking a preferred language of their choice (no matter what it is)  irrespective of where they are. If you disagree with this, I can't help  it. "India has around 12.16% of its population as English  speakers (List of countries by English-speaking population) which is  about 1/8th of the total population, what role do you think it can play  in our society? Indian society is characterized by its languages,  religion, architecture, food and customs, English is no where part of  it, so get your facts rights before making such baseless statements. It  was a language that was inherited from our rulers (read the British)  and continued to rise in popularity and existence since the south Indian  states refused to adopt Hindi as the official language (which is a  valid point since only 41% of population is Hindi speaking) and hence  English was accepted as an official language but in no way is it a part  of our history, culture or any such thing which constitutes society" 1/8th  of India is not a small number. In fact, 12.16% is more than the percentage of Telugu, Bengali, Malyalam, Tamil, Gujarati, Marathi, Oriya etc. speakers (one language taken at a time).  English may not have been a part of the  the pre-British era, but it is certainly very much a part of the  present. You have yourself admitted that it has continued to rise in  popularity. There are many writers in English. There are Indian English  movies. There's Indian English music. Education is imparted in English.  If you want to cut off English, you have to first provide high quality  education to people in Indian languages. You must provide advanced  education in Indian languages (engineering, medicine, science etc.).  Even then English won't go away, because it's an important bridge  language for people between different states and it's a language which  has global appeal. After 100s of years of the English language being used in this country, after scores of kids learning it everyday right from when they're toddlers, one has to be naive to assume that it hasn't become the native language (in the technical sense, as it is used in the field of linguistics) of millions of Indians. None of this means that Indian languages have to be discarded or will ever be. That would be a ridiculous thing to do. Also, culture isn't static. It keeps evolving all the time, incorporating new elements into it (especially with globalisation). Of  course, these dicussions can keep going on because talking about groups  of people is very hard, especially when there's so much diversity and  when there are too many variables. So let's keep it down to the level of  the individual. "Why are you comparing  Cricket and English. Communication is natural. Throwing a ball on  someone's face and running to catch it again isn't. And I hate both of  THEM." The comparison was made to show how something that  originated in some other country has become a part of "India's" culture.  We could take many more examples. It has nothing to do with being  natural or unnatural. "Why God why?? What are you going to tell them? Totally clueless why you like English so much." Stop putting words in my mouth. I don't "love" it. It's just the language in which I'm most fluent.

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    Shut up : I can talk in English , i can walk in english ,I can eat in english because english is a very ffunny language :D Thanks Amitabh Bachhan for this wonderful dialogue,nowdays we dont hear such dialogues.

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What you are experiencing is not inferiority complex but a way to tell you that you are using the wrong thing at the wrong place. IMO, English is given undue respect in India then it deserves. Statements like "movement to spread awareness about the English language and its role in society" very well signifies where your thinking stands. India has around 12.16% of its population as English speakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_English-speaking_population) which is about 1/8th of the total population, what role do you think it can play in our society? Indian society is characterized by its languages, religion, architecture, food and customs, English is no where part of it, so get your facts rights before making such baseless statements. It was a language that was inherited from our rulers (read the British) and continued to rise in popularity and existence since the south Indian states refused to adopt Hindi as the official language (which is a valid point since only 41% of population is Hindi speaking) and hence English was accepted as an official language but in no way is it a part of our history, culture or any such thing which constitutes society, What gave rise to the popularity of English was globalization. Suddenly with an influx of foreign MNC's and exodus of NRI's from India led to this thinking of English being the language of educated (which is a completely wrong notion). Yes, it's the preferred way of office communication, and to survive in corporate today, you need to have average to decent English communication skills but that in no way signifies that it should takeover your senses and become a preferred way of life, since, you were born Indian and were gifted a mother tongue. Learn to use your mother tongue or an Indian language at places where it's not necessary to use English since you carry an Indian passport and were born an Indian. Also, look at countries which are more developed then we are (Read China, France, Germany, Switzerland, Spain etc.), they all converse in their mother tongue. you will never find 2 Chinese or 2 Germans speaking to each other in English unless and until it's a formal setup. We have just overrated English education a lot and hence we started counting it as an indicator for skills and competence. Yes, there are people who suffer from Inferiority complex because of not being able to communicate in English effectively, but a primary reason why we have reached that point is because Indians (Read 12.16% of English speaking Indians) have substituted education for English skills and hence these non-english speaking people suffer due to such behavior and when they see people trying to speak English at places where it is not required at all, they get agitated. Also, there are many who are comfortable/like using their mother tongue/other regional language for informal communication and if you go and try to speak in English, it does come out as show off. So, my advice will be to restrict yourself to speaking English at places where it is really required. Its okay to speak English among friends, if all of you like it, as a primary means although its not all right to speak English at places where you know another language that people around you are speaking in majority.

Priyanshu Jha

I personally feel comfortable speaking in Hindi. So if I am amongst my friends who understand Hindi I prefer Hindi. May be the way I was brought up. But I think I feel a sense of connection, a sense of informality (in a good way) when I speak in Hindi. When I speak in English, it has an officious tone. If the folks whom you are conversing with are not good at English and if they know you know Hindi or any other local language, it is natural for them to expect you to speak in the local language. And this is because they are comfortable with it. You are also assuming that Doctors and Engineers from top colleges should always speak English. Inadvertently you are equating knowledge of english to higher status in the society. And therefore your friends are saying that "tu style marta hai". If they are your friends who have been used to conversing with you in the native language, they will want to continue doing that even if you are now some big wig in the professional world. That language is a way for them to re-ignite the friendship they had with you in the past. BTW, I am an Indian living in US and love to speak Hindi whenever I can. I even tell my two daughters.. "agar aage jaake mujhse baat karni hai tuo hindi sikhna hai.. mein baat hindi mein hi bast karungaa... baaki tumhaari marzi... " ;)

Gaurav Harode

I think there are many reasons to this and in my opinion it depends on the kind of person you are talking to. But before that I would like to say that in today's world it would be very difficult to survive without English in India. In schools English is the primary medium of instruction right from say 5th standard. So to make your way through India you would need English and some kind of fluency in but. That said, the level of English education is very poor in India. There are engineering graduates, college professors with poor levels of English. Now, coming to the question, the kind of statements come from a particular kind of people. I would divide them broadly into the following categories. 1. People who like to converse in local languages These are the people who know good English, but when they meet some one who speaks either the mother tongue, or Hindi or any other Indian language and they feel more connected when they converse in that. This maybe a wrong perception, however this group includes me too. And these people wont make comments like that because they do not judge a person by their ability to speak English. I prefer to talk in my mother tongue, even though my fluency in it is less than English. And if i meet a person who speaks any other language I know, I switch to that. Lot of people I know prefer to do this. 2. People who think English is destroying the culture These are the people most likely to make such comments. They think that by speaking English, people show their superiority. They maybe also be the people who hate a particular community because they migrated from a different state. ( Like to the people from Bihar or other states in Mumbai.) They think that their own language is superior to everything and thus their attitude to the people speaking English. This may also happen if you speak any language that they do not like. 3. People whose English is poor These people develop a inferiority complex because their English is not so good. And they think that by not knowing English they may not be able to compete at an equal level or contribute to a conversation in a effective manner.  However this is seriously not the case. There is no reason to feel inferior. People of India are very helping by nature and most of them wont ridicule you. Instead they will try and help you improve. I myself have helped people on numerous occasions in editing some essays and so on. Then there is the fourth category who think they are superior because they know English well. They will try to show their superiority by deliberately using words that others wont understand. These are the people in the third category to feel more inferior and they seem to enjoy that. Well it is good that they know English but it is not proper to make others feel inferior because of that. This may also be the reason to the origin of comments like you mentioned. However, this is not the general case. You can't generalise this issue so easily. Now to the improvement in level of English awareness in India. This has to start in our schools. We need teachers who know good English for a start. If we educate the children with good English, they wont face the difficulty we faced. However this maybe difficult. Second is to encourage the habit of reading English books or newspapers. One can learn a lot of English by reading a good newspaper daily and English books. However, recently reading as a hobby is on the decline and things like smartphones are catching up. This needs to be seriously addressed to improve the level of English as well as the knowledge of Indian masses. Update: This article that appeared in The Hindu may give some more insight http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/alphabetical-order-to-discrimination/article4573888.ece

Ganapati Bhat

(Originally answered: ) Superior is definitely not a word I would use. More conducive to increasing the odds of success in one's career? Sure. But not superior. To begin with, most Indians do not speak fluent English, while a considerable number finds it unintelligible. The thing is, Indian society was rigidly divided along class (and caste) lines, wherein only the upper classes had access to learning the language during British rule. Furthermore, out of this minority who had access, many didn't avail of the opportunity for lack of incentive. Therefore, by the time the British left, a significant majority of India's population lacked proficiency in the language. Fast-forward 68 years, and you're left with the descendants of those upper class Indians who almost definitely retain their forefathers' skill, as well as those who learnt it over the course of the years in school, at the workplace, etc. But yet again, a majority of the population is bereft of the social mobility this language has to offer. (Note: I'm Bengali, and you're possibly from a different background, and yet here we are conversing with ease. Convenient, isn't it?) Most city schools now use English as a medium of instruction, while rural ones tend to stick to regional languages, Furthermore, the standard of English taught at most schools is not up to the mark.  Read the following article from The Hindu, dated October 27th, 2012 for more on this topic - http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/despite-big-leap-indias-english-proficiency-is-just-moderate-survey/article4036685.ece This leads to yet another kind of class divide among the people; English being the language of international business, knowledge of the language is highly valued in employees - both, in the private and public sectors. One who knows English well is assumed to have been a member of the fortunate class who is likely to succeed in their professional career. An interesting point to note though, is that this success somehow seems to me to be inversely proportional when it comes to politics. That is to say, English proficiency is the least of the credentials required for success in one's political career in India, probably because the skill proves to be of no value when appealing to the masses. Ultimately, Indian society, much like other Asian societies, has evolved to value the knowledge of English over all other languages, and this has lead to the 'superiority', as you put it, of certain individuals over others. Now superiority is not the way I'd put it at all, but it sure helps to learn English if you want to get ahead in life. It opens up a whole new frontier and allows you to exchange thoughts and  ideas with the larger human society, while finding your place in this world as a global citizen.

Vishwajeet Gain

The reason is not inferiority complex. It is the way in which English is taught in India. In India the concept is 'you must learn grammar before you do anything with English'. In reality, language is an oral art. By Speaking,  and by receiving feedback and responses by listening one fine-tunes the language. Only one attempt in this regard is seen in the efforts of Espoir Technologies, who invented world's first (and only) spoken English simulator. One can attempt any number of conversational situations - and receive contextual feedback and improve their conversation abilities.

Arti Sharma

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