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  • Please describe the experiences you had as a student while studying engineering in the colleges of UP government. UPTU is a fuck in name of engineering. My experience in one of the state government college of Uttar Pradesh. No quality of education and less or no practicals you can say. One more thing this is not a lie . 1.Compiler Design: I proposed idea of Hindi C@undefinedompiler (So that I can write programs in my mothertongue)...faculty rejected the idea claiming that it is IMPOSSIBLE!! I submitted some LEX shit in project, and developed the compiler in parallel...and demonstarted to the same faculty.....result: I got C grade! 2. OS: I was thinking about writing a kernel inC#....as usual...faculty claimed it impossible...and tagged me as mentally retarded (yeah...I am serious)....I developed a kernel in C# with complete PS/2 Keyboard and mouse support, ATAPI drivers, VGA driver, GUI, and related stuff (drag..drop, left/middle/right click options, resizable window, overlapping window etc) and threw on the face of faculty....result: I FAILED in OS (I was laughing hard after seeing my marksheet) 3. Final Year Project: I proposed idea of guesture control....and whole department was laughing (yep...in my college...whole academic staff sits while accepting project proposals for final year prj.). As a proof of concept, I submitted a demo program which used facial motion and gestures to control the computer (using OpenCV, C++, and QT for GUI). After that, faculty cancelled the project....and I was "forced" to complete PhD project of my mentor (In case you are curios...it was his LAST year of PhD....and I screwed up whole project..preventing his PhD from IIT Kanpur About college About College Facility Stone Age Software: A hell lot of colleges and universities are still using Turbo C++ for their C and C++ courses. They don't even switch to gcc, which is open source and available free of cost. Old Hardware: You will find Pentium IV and Pentium III machines with 256/512 MB RAM in so called CORE LAB. They have Core 2 Duo machines with 1 GB RAM in so called ADVANCED LAB. Machines with 4/8/16/32 cores simply don't exist on this planet. No Power Backup: Electricity failed? Lab is over, and you are free now. Poor Maintenance: Machines will stop working every now and then. You are supposed to shake/punch/tap (maybe throw?) them to restore their functionality. Did you ask about cluster or HPC? What the hell is that?? About College Curriculum Obsolete Books: They are using books published in 1992 (maybe 1994, I don't remember exactly) Books from local authors: Worst piles of pages I have ever seen. Tagging them as "book" is insult of books. Do you want an example? Check the LET US C by Yashvant Kanetkar. Total crap!! Stone age technology: They are still stuck with C WITH CLASSES in era of C++11. Compiler means Turbo C++. Source control is performed by making multiple copies of code in a pen drive. Lack of practical stuff: Nobody has used a debugger!! About College Faculty Crap faculty: Compiler means Turbo C++. When you use printf() for printing value of variables, it is called debugging. You can profile your code by running it in loop, and measuring the elapse time by a simple stopwatch (Dafaq is this?). Machine code written for Core 2 Duo is not going to work on Intel i3 (afterall, machine code is machine dependent). Compiler runs the compiled code. A O(n log n) algorithm is always better than O(n^2) algorithm (in fact this depends upon constant factor associated with time complexity). Let us come to data structure: Example of stack: stack of plates! Example of queue: queue for getting a movie ticket No real world examples from software universe. List is endless.......

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    My experience in one of the state government college of Uttar Pradesh. No quality of education and less or no practicals you can say. One more thing this is not a lie . 1.Compiler Design: I proposed idea of Hindi C@undefinedompiler (So that I can write programs in my mothertongue)...faculty rejected the idea claiming that it is IMPOSSIBLE!! I submitted some LEX shit in project, and developed the compiler in parallel...and demonstarted to the same faculty.....result: I got C grade! 2. OS: I was thinking about writing a kernel inC#....as usual...faculty claimed it impossible...and tagged me as mentally retarded (yeah...I am serious)....I developed a kernel in C# with complete PS/2 Keyboard and mouse support, ATAPI drivers, VGA driver, GUI, and related stuff (drag..drop, left/middle/right click options, resizable window, overlapping window etc) and threw on the face of faculty....result: I FAILED in OS (I was laughing hard after seeing my marksheet) 3. Final Year Project: I proposed idea of guesture control....and whole department was laughing (yep...in my college...whole academic staff sits while accepting project proposals for final year prj.). As a proof of concept, I submitted a demo program which used facial motion and gestures to control the computer (using OpenCV, C++, and QT for GUI). After that, faculty cancelled the project....and I was "forced" to complete PhD project of my mentor (In case you are curios...it was his LAST year of PhD....and I screwed up whole project..preventing his PhD from IIT Kanpur About college About College Facility Stone Age Software: A hell lot of colleges and universities are still using Turbo C++ for their C and C++ courses. They don't even switch to gcc, which is open source and available free of cost. Old Hardware: You will find Pentium IV and Pentium III machines with 256/512 MB RAM in so called CORE LAB. They have Core 2 Duo machines with 1 GB RAM in so called ADVANCED LAB. Machines with 4/8/16/32 cores simply don't exist on this planet. No Power Backup: Electricity failed? Lab is over, and you are free now. Poor Maintenance: Machines will stop working every now and then. You are supposed to shake/punch/tap (maybe throw?) them to restore their functionality. Did you ask about cluster or HPC? What the hell is that?? About College Curriculum Obsolete Books: They are using books published in 1992 (maybe 1994, I don't remember exactly) Books from local authors: Worst piles of pages I have ever seen. Tagging them as "book" is insult of books. Do you want an example? Check the LET US C by Yashvant Kanetkar. Total crap!! Stone age technology: They are still stuck with C WITH CLASSES in era of C++11. Compiler means Turbo C++. Source control is performed by making multiple copies of code in a pen drive. Lack of practical stuff: Nobody has used a debugger!! About College Faculty Crap faculty: Compiler means Turbo C++. When you use printf() for printing value of variables, it is called debugging. You can profile your code by running it in loop, and measuring the elapse time by a simple stopwatch (Dafaq is this?). Machine code written for Core 2 Duo is not going to work on Intel i3 (afterall, machine code is machine dependent). Compiler runs the compiled code. A O(n log n) algorithm is always better than O(n^2) algorithm (in fact this depends upon constant factor associated with time complexity). Let us come to data structure: Example of stack: stack of plates! Example of queue: queue for getting a movie ticket No real world examples from software universe. List is endless.......

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I am not surprised that you failed in your OS course . Because the system is  such that if you'll start following standard books and doing real stuff  you'll fail . I doubt if you'll be able to complete the course by  yourself. Its really tough for some one who try to do real stuff in such system. And when you screw your exams your classmates/faculty will mock you.Here meaning of engineering is to study all this superficially then solve last 5 years question paper and be the topper of college and you are among best engineer in world. Here are  few of  my experiences 1. They searched me for UFM because i implement a linked list in 15-20 minutes in my Data Structures lab Exam  which by their standards was impossible . Actually when i successfully executed the code i asked them to verify the result Before i write the code in my answer sheet. And they started looking my answer sheet and asked where i have written the code in answer sheet. How you are supposed to write code in your answer sheet first (without any logical/syntactical error) and then execute it on screen . 2 .In 4th sem except three of us, whole class (including toppers) wrote A program in which a single thread was paused 3-4 times(thats it) thinking it was a multi-threading program . And the worst part it was all happening in front  of OOP faculty (who cant even code himself) and even after pointing this out many students wrote the same code in End Sem lab exam and they gave VIVA on that. 3. In 5th Sem under the principles of programming class i was mocked by whole class and faculty because i told numbers are stored in computer System in 2's complement notation . According to him number in computer system are stored in binary notations with taking sign bit as left most bit. I was worried about my internals otherwise i would have asked him to use his approach on board to  store [math]-2^{n-1}[/math] in a n bit system (which is the minimum integer which we can store in n bit system) 4.Here you PAY for summer training (aka internship) which is mandatory. I am a 2010 pass out  and i don't know what is the situation now. But during my time none of us did real internship in a firm where you are actually given real work and you are paid for that. 5. Shitty policy of so called personality development where some dude in tie will give you  a demo about accent ,phonetics and then will ask you for 10000 bucks to enroll in personality development program.While no one knows the real engineering stuff. 6. Everyone students ,faculty is working only to get as much marks as possible in end sem exams while totally neglecting the real deal. Its like you are giving board exam in every 4-5 months. 7. No matter you are a valedictorian or just another average guy there is not much difference when it comes to real skills. 8. Meaning of computer science in to learn J2EE or .Net and Oracle database and meaning of  Job is Infy,tcs,wipro,accenture,cognizant and other infotechs and solutions. Concept from OS,Number theory ,Algorithms,Mathematics,Computer Architecture ,Networks are useless even though knowing them would lead you to a to far more better environment . 9. Compiling and running a c code on Linux is considered as Mount Everest of all hacks (I am not kidding) Few more points You didn't studied well(not matter what was the reason). You screwed your JEE and ended up in a Shitty college .FINE. But does this mean you will not even exposed to real standards in next 4 years of college? Your performance, your skills,you knowledge is supposed to be at same level for next 4 years because you sucked in an exam one time?So whats the point of going to college which does not even provide at least a encouraging environment where you get proper exposure to what happening in top class instis in world what are they are working on . How they take classes what kind of projects do they work on. Truth is basic subjects may be taught upto some decent level . But  subjects like OS ,Computer Architecture,Distributed systems,Networks are no where near to how these courses are taught in IITs,IIITs and forget about Stanford. For example just compare your OS lab tasks and assignment with these  http://www.scs.stanford.edu/14wi-cs140/labs/project.html By the time a student will complete  all lab assignments of CS140 he would have implemented a basic OS him/her-self. I am confident that my whole class would have failed OS exam if we were asked following questions in end sem exams http://www.cse.iitd.ernet.in/~sbansal/os/previous_years/2013/CSL373MajorSemII2012-13.pdf Lets talk about computer architecture My class was not even iota near to following class    http://nptel.ac.in/courses/106102062/ Role of Exposure My opinion is if students are given at least real exposure then they will be 100 times a better engineer then they are now. During my undergrad years (2006-2010) .My strategy was simple to maintain above 65% and no backs (this allows you to focus on other stuff) . And do whatever best i can. In 5th sem i got net access at home and whole new world was in front of me (seriously) . I spent my time on http://topcoder.com (thanks to a Google search where i was interested in knowing who are the topcoders in world but i was exposed to something new) and other programming sites from where i get to know about various aspects of algorithms and its implementations. I get to know other coders and saw what they are working on apart from algorithms . I also check out OCW and NPTEL. I searched I was exposed to aspects of Scalability , Performance . All this showed actual status of my skills . Fast Forward 4 years now i am still trying to improve myself . And i am not the best out there but certainly better then what i would have been if i wasn't exposed to all that stuff.

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Don't do engineering any of UPTU college,its really fuck of doing engineering from UPTU. I have done B-Tech from one of the UPTU college,u won't learn anything u will become just as a donkey. So please m suggesting don't do from UPTU

Rahul Maurya

I am a freshmen at a UPTU college , I agree with all of you. They don't know really what engineering means and your problem solving skills will suck if you try to fit in. I will prupose to invest a good amount in books (specially foreign writers) and stick to NPTEL. I wanted to enjoy engineering but the faculty frustates me to death and I just wanna pass,crack GATE for christ sake. Independent thinking and different behaviour makes my college go nuts on me and yes I do laugh at them for being clueless and unaware of the world they live in. CHUTIYA is the best word for most of engineering grads at my college.

Apoorv Seth

With due regards to engineering the private colleges of UPTU are doing rape infact gang rape of engineering specially in GBTU region.Colleges like PSIT Kanpur ,KIT ,MPEC ,SRMCEM Lucknow ,SRMIT Lucknow are doing gang rape of engineering.Placement in PSIT is fully fake as they are paying money to the companies in return of placement. GOD SAVE ENGINEERING FROM THESE  DEMONS  NAMED UPTU PRIVATE  COLLEGES.

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#. Whattt ??? did you utter some "engineering" word ??? I pray to God that, its not the case. #. There is no relation of engineering and UPTU. I don't want to comment on it anymore. I have to keep the dignity of the social website.

Gaurav Rajput

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