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What are the hidden meaning in the songs of Patchface?

  • Patchface :- is the very interesting character.The ' Fool' in the Stannis's court  sings many songs in the book. Most of them quoting " under the sea", which has probably different meaning for different occasions ( like when he said "Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black. “I know, I know, oh, oh, oh" ,,I think he meant event of Blackwater). What are your interpretations for each of the song/statement ( not just event but full interpretations like "Fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye aye" means Red Wedding but what is meaning of each word he say ? Few of the Patchface's questions:- Fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye aye The shadows come to dance, my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord," he sang, hopping from one foot to the other and back again. "The shadows come to stay, my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord" He jerks his head with each word, the bells in his antlers ringing up a clangor Under the sea the mermen feast on starfish soup, and all the serving men are crabs Under the sea, the birds have scales for feathers. I know. I know… It is always summer under the sea. The merwives wear nennymoans in their hair and weave gowns of silver seaweed. I know. I know… Under the sea it snows up, and the rain is dry as bone. I know. I know… Clever bird, clever man, clever clever fool… Under the sea, you fall up. I know. I know Here we eat fish, under the sea, the fish eat us. I know. I know Under the sea no one wears hats. I know. I know Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black. “I know, I know, oh, oh, oh Under the sea the old fish eat the young fish. Up here the young fish teach the old fish. In the dark the dead are dancing Under the sea the crows are white as snow. I will lead it. We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh Under the sea, men marry fishes

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    Thanks for the A2A. Some of the things Patchface says make no sense (yet), but many of what he said was quite prophetic. I'll try and divide them based on when the events actually transpired. First, the under the sea part - he says that a lot, and I am not sure what he implies with that - it could mean in the future, or he just says that because he drowned. The shadows come to dance, my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord. The shadows come to stay, my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord This looks to be a definite reference to Melisandre's shadow binding abilities. Perhaps there's more to it that we are not made aware of yet. Under the sea, the birds have scales for feathers. I know. I know... A very good possibility that he's talking about dragons. Here we eat fish, under the sea, the fish eat us. I know. I know… This could simply mean a straightforward statement. I can't really think of anything prophetic. Under the sea, you fall up. I know. I know… Another logical statement, a corpse rising upwards after drowning. Clever bird, clever man, clever clever fool… He's probably calling Maester Cressen a fool because of what he was going to do soon. Under the sea no one wears hats. I know. I know… This is an interesting one. The hat referred to here is actually a false crown that Maester Cressen was forced to wear to make him look like a fool. Is he predicting that there will be no crowns to wear at the end? Under the sea the crows are white as snow. A possible reference to the brothers of the Night's Watch who were killed Beyond the Wall coming back as wights. One more possibility below the spoiler line. In the dark the dead are dancing. Another reference to the wights, perhaps. Under the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and black. I know, I know, oh, oh, oh. Wildfire. The Blackwater burning with all its glory. Another possibility is the ruins of Valyria, and talks of dragons? (Dany's three dragons are green, black and cream - so the blue is out) Under the sea it snows up, and the rain is dry as bone. I know. I know… Under the sea, men marry fishes. Away, away, come with me beneath the sea, away, away, away. Absolutely no idea. Under the sea the old fish eat the young fish. Up here the young fish teach the old fish. This looks like something major, but I have too many ideas to form a coherent sentence with it. Fool’s blood. King’s blood, blood on the maiden’s thigh, but chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye, aye, aye. This is claimed to be the biggest of all Patchface prophecies, and is certainly the most popular one. Patchface predicts the Red Wedding. In the book version, Catelyn kills Jinglebell who was Walder Frey's grandson, and the court jester (instead of the old man's wife). That's the fool's blood. King's blood is straightforward - Robb Stark Blood on the maiden's thigh - The bedding ceremony and Roslin Frey. Chains for the guests and chains for the bridegroom - Many of the Stark bannermen, and Edmure himself are captured and held as hostages/prisoners. Spoilers for those who haven't read A Dance with Dragons It is always summer under the sea. The merwives wear nennymoans in their hair and weave gowns of silver seaweed. I know. I know… This is the second biggest prophecy in my opinion. From my interpretation: The always summer part is a likely reference to the Summer Islands. It could also point to the faraway lands near the Jade Sea where the Strangler is derived from. The poison that Maester Cressen tried on Melisandre and failed, and the poison that killed Joffrey. The merwives wear nennymoans in their hair - This was the part that tipped me off, there was another reference to purple serpents, but the nennymoans here sound an awful lot like anemones (well, sea anemones) that are toxic. A reference to the amethyst crystals Sansa wears in her hairnet. Gowns of silver seaweed - I went back to read what Sansa was wearing during Joffrey's wedding, and this is what the book had: Sansa wore a gown of silvery satin trimmed in vair,... Under the sea the crows are white as snow. Perhaps it also refers to Jon dying and warging into Ghost who's white as snow Under the sea the merman feast on starfish soup, and all the serving men are crabs. I am just trying to connect the dots here. Merman refers to Lord Wyman Manderly because of their sigil. House Borrell of Sweetsister have a crab as their sigil. I would think that Davos is being referred to as starfish here, he was sent by Godric Borrell to Wyman Manderly, who is putting Davos in the soup by sending him to Skagos. Davos' hand after his joints were cut off resemble a starfish, perhaps? There is one House Ruthermont in the Vale who have a starfish for their sigil, and a Starfish Harbor in the Reach, but I don't think they're relevant. I will lead it. We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh. This is possibly the weirdest thing he ever sings (which is saying a lot), mostly because he uses I and We and Our. The general idea seems to be an army crossing the sea. We will march into the sea and out again - crossing the sea Under the waves we will ride seahorses - ships Mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming - I am not sure of this. At first I thought all of that could be the raids of the ironborn when they attack the North after their men have left for war But I am starting to think he's talking about Aegon's arrival. Perhaps by saying I will lead it, he's calling Aegon a fool. Or perhaps Patchface was born to someone from the Golden Company before he became a jester in Volantis. Or by we he simply means the Volantis connection - the place from where the ships of the Golden Company started. Spoilers if you haven't read the Winds of Winter Arianne chapter The mermaids blowing seashells could be a reference to Arianne Martell, and her companions Elia Sand and Jayne Ladybright (who are as much mermaids as Sansa was a merwife). Also to note that the group included Ser Garibald Shells. I don't think I've left anything else from his quotes.

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Patchface’s History: He was purchased as a  slave in Volantis by Lord Steffon and Cassana Baratheon, the father of  Robert and his brothers. They wrote a letter before their trip telling  their family of a jester of amazing skill. When their ship sank just off  the coast of Storm's End, only Patchface survived, washing ashore  several days later. He is currently in the employ of Stannis Baratheon as a jester and companion of his daughter. Melisandre’s Words: “That creature is dangerous. Many a time I have glimpsed him in my flames. Sometimes there are skulls about him, and his lips are red with blood.” Patchface Prophecies/Statements: “The crow, the crow,” Patchface cried when he saw Jon. “Under the sea the  crows are white as snow, I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.” A few ways to take this: The Night’s Watch (“crows”) will die, and their corpses (“white as snow”), fall in the water. Members of the Night’s Watch (“crows”) will die, and are made into wights  (“white as snow”), which will travel underwater [The oft mentioned “dead  things in the water”] Jon (“crows”) dies and wargs into Ghost (“white as snow”). “Under the sea, men marry fishes.” Patchface did a little dance step, jingling  his bells. “They do, they do, they do.” I think to understand Patchface you have to think like him.  He drowned  in the ocean, so in his mindset the ocean is the equivalent of  death. Whenever he says "under the sea" what he means is "in the realm  of death". When he talks about "fish" or "mermen" (residents of the  sea), he means wights or Others (residents of death).  So: "Under the sea, men marry fishes." = by "marry" he means man and fish becoming one, i.e. merman.  so translation is in death, men become wights. "I  will lead it!” His bells rang merrily. “We will march into the sea and  out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will  blow seashells to announce our coming." = basically come die with me  again, just with more elaborate description of the land of the dead. “Away, away,” the fool sang. “Come with me beneath the sea, away, away, away.” He took the little princess by one hand and drew her from the room, skipping. "Come with me beneath the sea." = come die with me. Perhaps Patchface will somehow be the cause of Shireen's death? Patchface jumped up. “I will lead it!” His bells rang merrily. “We will  march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride  seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh,  oh, oh.” If birds look like fish flying through the sky to him, then what would  looks like someone riding a seahorse through the air? A dragon rider.  And announcing the coming of this dragon rider is the blowing of a horn. “Under the sea the mermen feast on starfish soup, and all the serving men are crabs.” Could refer to the "Frey pie" incident where the Mermen are Manderlys. The starfish represents the Freys - the many legs of the starfish are the many branches of house Frey. Note also that many starfish will  regenerate lost legs and some may even grow an entire new body from a single remaining leg.  The starfish's legs then are all of Walder Frey's children. As for the crabs, it could refer to a house however I always picture this as being Lord Wyman himself. He is so fat that he is always carried abound in a  litter. Picture a litter, with it's carriers at the front and back and tell me that from the side it doesn't somewhat look like a crab scuttling sideways down the road. “Under the sea, the birds have scales for feathers," he said, clang-a-langing. "I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.” “Under  the sea, smoke rises in bubbles, and flames burn green and blue and  black,” Patchface sang somewhere. “I know, I know, oh, oh, oh.” It has been suggested that the smoke and fire  represent Dany's dragons, but has also been pointed out that while she  has a black and a green dragon, the third is cream and gold, not blue. Alternatively,  this could be referencing Moqorro, who certainly was under the sea  and is called the "black flame", but then what about the green and blue  flames? May be a reference to the Drowned God.  According to the wiki, "The Drowned God himself is believed to have  brought flame from the sea". And concerning his priests: "Drowned Men  wear roughspun robes of mottled green, grey, and blue, which colors are  those of the Drowned God." The colors are just about right. Dark  or wet grey clothing certainly would look similar to black, and the  drowned God apparently took fire out from under the water. Could refer to the Blackwater. “In the dark the dead are dancing.” This is pretty straight-forward. In the lands beyond the wall (“the dark”) the dead are rising again as wights (“dancing”). "The shadows come to dance, my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord," he sang, hopping from one foot to the other and back again. "The shadows come to stay, my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord." This is clearly made in reference to Melisandre and her shadow powers. There are really two ways to take this: Melisandre  (“The Shadow”) is coming to help Stannis in his quest for the Iron  Throne (“dance”) and will become an important advisor to him ("stay") Melisandre’s shadow creature (“The Shadow”), which is born and then kills Renly (“dance”) does not simply disappear after it’s task, or has some lasting  effect (“stay”) Could refer to the shadows in Dany's birthing tent and Mirri Maz Dur "dancing" with them. When they "stay" it could mean that they are part of Dany or her dragons. "Fool's blood, king's blood, blood on the maiden's thigh, but chains  for the guests and chains for the bridegroom, aye aye aye." This has been well established as predicting the Red Wedding. Rob (“king’s  blood”), and his naïve family/subjects will be killed. Catelyn will slit  the throat of a jester Aegon Frey (“fool’s blood”). The bride is still  deflowered (“blood on a maiden’s thigh”), but her bridegroom Edmure  (“the bridegroom”) and the other survivors (“guests”) were held imprisoned (“chains). http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/61391-patchface-project/

Senjuti Kundu

Mostly every answer went into great detail so I'll only touch on this one: "Under the sea the mermen dine on starfish soup and the serving men are all crabs." I've thought about this one a lot and I wonder if the "starfish" are Boltons. Their sigil is a flayed man which kind of looks like a starfish. The mermen would be Manderly and the crabs would be the Celtigars. The only thing is that the Boltons are the only ones who aren't specific. At same time though if Patchface is getting visions of this the flayed man would look like a starfish. I could be way off and it could be alluding to the Frey pie, but as much work that Manderly is putting in to overthrow the Boltons it makes me think this is talking about the Great Northern Conspiracy and when the Boltons are taken out.

Kala Veon

First, I really like idea that being under the sea, means you are dead.   I don't have much to add except some questions:   I will lead it. We will march into the sea and out again. Under the waves we will ride seahorses, and mermaids will blow seashells to announce our coming, oh, oh, oh.   What comes to mind is this statement being from Danny's point of view leading the Dothraki into Westeros?   The shadows come to dance, my lord, dance my lord, dance my lord," he sang, hopping from one foot to the other and back again. "The shadows come to stay, my lord, stay my lord, stay my lord"   Who is the lord? Not R'hllor right, so who? Drowned God?

Matthew Groves

Clever bird, clever man, clever clever fool… This could be Littlefinger, Sansa and the singer LF had jailed for Lysa's murder.

Stan Worthy

The last one is rather befuddling. Many suggested that Aurane Waters may have something to do with it, as the sigil of his house (Velaryon) is a seahorse.

Kevin Calle

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