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Where are Genuine Nokia Phones Made?

Have Nokia and Blackberry really made a comeback with their respective flagship phones (Lumia 920 and BB Z10)?

  • Nokia came up with the Lumia 920 which is notching up pretty decent sales. And now, Blackberry has come up with the z10 with the new OS BB10 built in. Do you think these flagship phones will have any significant impact in the smartphone market at a time when Samsung and Apple are at their all time high? Is it a phone war or OS war?

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    I doubt it. Maybe too early to say, but "too little, too late, too dull" for them to turn things around. Right now iOS + Android has 92% of the smartphone market. There is virtuous circle: more sales= more apps = better user prospect = more sales more sales = more money on R&D, higher volumes and better COGS = more sales. That makes it hard for another eco-system to penetrate. Hard, but not impossible: carrier relationships, retail support are essential so it could be done. But I don't see Lumia or Blackberry offering anything different enough. Another expensive, 4" smartphone.... I'll have one of those but I'll choose the one with more apps, a better eco-system and I know will be there in two years. They have no USP or differentiation. And they are both in freefall: market share that wsas 20% five uyears ago is 2-3% now. I *do* think there is a role for a thirds player but I'd look at the market in India & Indonesia as where it will suceed, not London or New York. Given both Nokia & Blackberry are still strong in thopse markets I think they are making a mistake in not developing products better suited to them. Right now total market is 1.8bn phones (700M of them smartphones). In a few years the TAM will grow, and I think proportion might flip say 1.4bn smartphones & 600M simpler ones. So there is room for growth, But BB 10 or WP 8 are not different enough. I'm more interrested in Tizen or BootToGecko (native Firefox / HTML5) for cheap solutions that can deliver a lot but enable decent performance on lower cost andhdsets and enable new players, new handset vendors and lower costs.

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No! I don't.  Just like the iPhone didn't make a significant impact on RIM when it first came out.  It took Apple a few years of product innovation, services ecosystem and impressive marketing to pull it off.  Similarly for Google / Samsung. The fact is, Nokia and BlackBerry need to use their best products now to stay somewhat relevant in a SmartPhone market that has now matured and will morph into a larger Mobile Computing market.  My own opinions on how that Market will grow and mature makes me think that RIM is better positioned to compete in that larger market with the likes of Samsung, Microsoft and Apple.  (The order I used from Samsung to Apple is intentional in which I think Samsung is the best equipped and Apple is the "least best" equipped).  I'll share my views on that market on a different day. :)

Bayan Qandil

Looking at Nokia's performance in the last quarter: http://press.nokia.com/2013/01/10/nokia-exceeds-previous-q4-2012-outlook-for-devices-services-and-nokia-siemens-networks/ I can say that they are gaining a momentum and interest from the consumers. Not to mention Windows 8 is starting its journey to dominate the world, the OS that Nokia has committed to, WP8, is going to do them more good than harm. http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-phone-market-share-on-the-up-doubles-to-54-in-europe-in-2012 This link above shows that WP8 is quickly catching up with the world while RIM is trying hard not to lose any other point in the share. I am quite confident about the comeback of Nokia. I wouldn't say WP8 will overtake Android or iOS in any near future. The market can change a lot in 12 months but I would place a safe bet that WP8 can only gain as much as 15% world market share in 12 months from now. However, I am not quite sure about how RIM (now they change the name to Blackberry) will hold up. http://live.wsj.com/video/analyst-why-blackberry-10-wont-save-rim/36D9C736-F01A-4189-AF68-9935051B4110.html#!36D9C736-F01A-4189-AF68-9935051B4110 (WSJ - Video) http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/01/28/analyst-why-blackberry-10-wont-save-rim/ The sales of the Z10 has not been all that impressive. In fact, it's slower than expected. The corporate market that Blackberry has a strong foothold in will eventually be eaten by all Android, iOS and WP8. According to above analyst, I predict Blackberry will still have around 3-4% market share in 12 months from now. There won't be any miracle.

Lemd Duc

I also agree it will take some time for them both to recover. But still I think that the launch of BB Z10 and Q10 is a huge step to the company's success. Blackberry's future is not only for the corporate segment, they just need some time https://mobidev.quora.com/Has-BlackBerry-chosen-a-good-time-for-a-comeback

Oleg Lola

It is both a hardware and a software war. But yes they did make a comeback, nothing amazing but they made enough to keep the gates open. Nokia brings really good hardware to the table and win 8 is a very good OS, the win market is expanding and it has enough apps at the moment. Nokia could really hit the jackpot if the "Catlwalk" hits the market - catwalk is supposed to be a code name for the Lumia 920 successor  that will also have the 41 mp camera sensor - pure view technology - on the nokia 808. With the best camera on the market and win 8 os that could really be a winner - i would be interested. Blackberry sold quite a few BBZ10's don't know if that is a comeback considering the os is still young and the market is... well really bad at the moment, apps are poorly designed and feel clunky, still i think there is hope. What i really like about the os is the social hub and the text input tricks they really nailed that one. The hardware is not that great though, i mean the phone works ok but it doesn't sport the display / cpu / sound card and camera that a flagship phone should these days.

Vlad Andrus

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