What jobs are available for 14-year-olds in California?

How are prisoners assigned to jobs in California prisons?

  • There are different jobs prisoners can have in California state prisons. They pay differently. I'm wondering how do people get assigned those jobs.

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    First, Pay numbers. As people parole out of prisons they leave an open pay number. Job positions in prison are called “pay numbers.” These numbers are limited and vary in pay rate. On the low end it’s about 9 cents an hour, while the higher end is generally 1 dollar an hour.  The higher the pay, the lower the number of “numbers.” Even rarer are the joint-venture jobs which pay minimum wage, are very hard to get and yes- they are garnished to pay for room and board, Federal, State, and local taxes, restitution fines or victims compensation, family support, and auto deposits into a mandatory Inmate savings account. http://calpia.ca.gov/Inmate_Development/JointVenture.html Jobs are generally assigned in two ways 1.)   Institutional need.  Usually this is the least preferred way of getting a job. A non-working person will receive a ducat (like a hall pass) during the evening’s mail call with a time and cryptic location to report to the next day.  That’s how it goes for most new arrivals that haven’t yet felt like getting a job on their own. 2.)   Requested assignment. A smaller number of new arrivals and many of the longer termed people tend to request specific assignments. Kitchen cook, rec porter, education clerk, and Caltrans work crew – for example. Certain jobs like the Caltrans crew require that you are cleared to go outside the “walls” and “gates” while others like an education clerk assignment may require that your conviction not be related to computer fraud/identity related crime.   An example of a “great prison job” (requested) would be my old one, STAND UP Lead Clerk at San Quentin (education rehabilitation program.) I earned $54 a month building and administering my own custom MS Access applications to support in the efforts of the “free staff” running the program. An example of a not so great job (institutional need) would be my first job making lunch bags at 4am for 9 cents an hour. Your general eligibility for the types of jobs you qualify for are determined and sometimes assigned directly during a “classification” session. These are held for every individual about once a year (more-or-less). To transfer from a kitchen to MVB (vocational training) you’ll need to be re-classified. Likewise, to switch to a factory job in PIA (Prison Industry Authority) you’ll also need to be re-classified. 3.)   The “almost not even worth thinking/talking about it” -Joint venture. To work in joint venture you first sign up on a list posted in a mainline building (North Block, at San Quentin). Then you wait five or six years and check where you are on the list by that point (seriously), maybe you'll wait a little longer. When a position opens up and you are next on the list, you’ll be vetted by the person responsible for appointments to that job. Many determinant factors will come into play and you may or may not get the job.   Luckily, you can still work other jobs while you wait to see if you can score a great paying job.   Also worth mentioning, things like what you have done with your time and your disciplinary record will hold some influence. So taking the opportunity to get a GED, an Associate’s Degree from Patten University, do self-development work in any of the many great programs at SQ or qualifying to join The Last Mile will make you a really good looking candidate.

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Anonymous for obvious reasons. As a former inmate at Folsom State Prison (FSPI), I was the lead clerk at the camp. I was selected after the Correctional  Officers found out that I knew a lot about computers and databases. I had discussed this genre with the CO running the job that I had at that time -- an outside work crew position. As lead clerk, I was introduced to the process and was responsible for finalizing all job placements with the main prison. Inmates are primarily selected for work positions based on their classification. An inmates classification is up to a Classification Board which places inmates in outside work crews, crews that go outside the gate but still  within the prison proper and finally those inmates not cleared for travel beyond the gate -- these are primarily janitorial and maintenance of the facilities. For the vast majority of positions, there is little a job clerk can do to change the reality that each crew has a finite number of available spaces and inmate classification takes precedence over inmate desire or suitability for a position. For example, if an inmate has clearance to leave the prison for daily work assignment, that is the assignment that they will get  and the only variation will be to which Correctional Officer's crew  if there are multiple openings.   Likewise, close quartered inmates with no clearance are going to work in janitorial / maintenance / kitchen crew. That being said, the play that a Job Clerk has in this instance is greater and he can manipulate the positions in order to sell jobs to inmates looking for a desirable schedule (like working the 3rd watch as opposed to 1st or 2nd. (3rd watch is from 2-9 or so). As for pay numbers. Most jobs do not pay anything. On each crew there may be as many as 2 paid positions and they dont pay much: perhaps $35 at the top end per month. It's virtual slavery and everyone knows it. those positions are assigned exclusively by the CO that runs that particular crew. They generally assign the pay numbers based on seniority but do not have to do it that way and many didn't. I believe that the number of paid positions at the time I was at Old Folsom was around 50 and dwindled to somewhere around 30 but the time I left. I would suspect those numbers have declined since 2004.

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