How does italy's climate affect its people?

More factors affect the climate than most people realize?

• With all of the talk about greenhouse gases, global warming and other ecological dangers, climate has become the topic of a great deal of debate and concern. How important are these ...show more

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  A list for certain and you have left out a great many things that clearly deniers don't know about, what you have posted are things any fist year science graduate would know about. But then of course things in the short list you have posted are often ignored by denier like 1) Elevation, I've seen denier try to use snow fall in the middle east they must have know elevation was a factor as they left out the reference to the park involved being in a mountain range. I've seen a denier here try to claim an Italian town having snow fall was a rarity (he was reluctant to name the town) because as it turned out it was in the Italian Alps (and in fact a ski resort) odd if he lived there (as he claimed) that he did not know that. Then we have the fabled zoo in Mexico again and the animals that died of cold, leaving an audience that didn't bother to check sources to think Mexico is warm how could this happen, again (strangely) the reference to the elevation of the city and the fact the zoo had heating for the animals was left out of the denier version of this story. In fact the animals died because of the failure of this heating system but that also was left out of the denier version. Perhaps you see from this sort of thing why I have learned to have little time for the nonsense of deniers, people who bend the truth while trying to call the other side liars are to be pitied and frankly they are not even very good liars as it is quite simple to find the facts with very little research if they looked even slightly beyond the blogs feeding them this BS, but sadly deniers just don't seem to do that or if they do they just start inventing endless mindless conspiracy theories to try and cover the now vast holes in their own theories. P.S. funny how your list contains things I have referenced many times from elevation to currents to the Maunder Minimum to Milankovitch cycles and albedo (which is what you are trying to reference at point 5) funny how you and other deniers ignored me at the time but are now trying to use these same points in your own question, so some part of your brain must have been listening. Although from your ham-fisted description of the Milankovitch cycles not listening very well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles and while talking on long term effect you also forgot continental drift which played a major part in the formation of the circumpolar current and the glaciers that formed in the Antarctic with the albedo effect that followed that cooled the entire planet. Deniers do tend to do things like this I've seen my self plagiarized quite a few times and often deniers try to twist what I have said to their cause but sadly they are so bad at science they can't get it right, so they tend to stick to effects like El Nino and the PDO which I and others here have referenced but of course there is a similar effects in the Atlantic (which I have not mentioned) waiting to see if the self created scientists would but they have not, they didn't "we only have a net effect of less than 1% on the climate at any given time?" gosh and what is a net effect of 1% over 100 years, do the math, do you understand what the % symbol means denier play this one all the time with out seeming to understand they are simply showing their own ignorance if we have a small but constant effect (like 1%) but over a long period of time we off course end up having a strong effect and deneir so weak at even basic math that they don't see that. As for "narrow-minded and self-centered" I'll leave that to the people who rant about taxes instead of science, there's your self-centered. Scientists are realists they don't pretend to know every things and certain always want to know more, the reality science did not stop in the 70's it has learned a great deal, certainly there is still a lot to learn, they have for instance been slow to understand that deniers will lie, make up stories and conspiracies and steal and even make death threats against scientists, but scientists are quick learners and the current science policy to simple ignore deniers and let them drown in the sea of nonsense they have created themselves is working quite well. Science has no real doubt about AGW, the main stream media has no real doubt, governments are also behind it (with a few right wing exceptions) and I think even these people only claim it's not happening to get sad right wing votes, governments of both sides around the world are taking slow action on climate change. Even George Bush tried to change his stance toward the end.