What are the relative advantages of living in the following cities: Beijing, Shanghai, San Francisco, New York?
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Please try to focus more on differences between the cities themselves instead of generic "China vs. US" comparisons. If possible, assume that the person is fluent in English and Chinese and is culturally familiar with both environments. Bonus points for information about career environment.
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The right answer is "it depends" on your personal and career goals. But I'll share a few observations, which will inevitably include some sweeping assumptions and overgeneralizations that may offend :) First, I was born in China and moved to the States at a very early age. I've lived in 5 states, finally settling in Austin, TX before heading to college. My personal experience with each city (most to least experience): San Francisco - 2 years in Soma/Lower Haight (and 5 years in Palo Alto) New York - 2 years in Manhattan Shanghai - 4 months living near Xintiandi, 4 trips Beijing - never lived, 6 trips Read PG's http://www.paulgraham.com/cities.html essay. It makes insightful points about NYC and SF and more importantly about how to approach such a comparison. Here are quick thoughts on the "best" part of each city (from my very narrow world experience): SF career: tech entrepreneurship. I'm sure there are others but this is what I know and love SF social: healthy living and variety (daytime & nighttime, indoor & outdoor, broader Bay Area, Tahoe), more laid-back and quirky NY career: finance, media, a growing consumer tech/startup scene NY social: speed & "buzz", food variety & quality (there's really no comparison w/ SF), crazy nightlife I've shared some impressions of NY before: For China I'll only comment on the expat/èå¤/å侨 experience. So, for example, if you're æµ·é¾ (grew up in China but have study or work-abroad experience), I can't really comment. said Shanghai was a fast city with slow walkers. I agree. Shanghai career: standard expat teaching jobs, fashion and media, tech scene is still small Shanghai social: standard expat bar/club scene, weekend trips to surrounding cities and countries, relatively little in the way of history/culture but there is plenty to do, here's a good link with suggestions: http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g308272-i2804-k4147818-What_to_see_in_Shanghai_welcome_to_reply_with_more_places-Shanghai.html Non-teaching expats work a lot, like their Chinese counterparts (weekend work often voluntary in name only). An interesting quirk - if Chinese holidays fall on weekdays (like 端åè), employees "make up" for the holiday by working weekends. Yeah, China... Beijing career: more industry (most SOE and large corporate HQs are here), technology, large startup scene (ä¸å ³æ, China's Silicon Valley) Beijing social: don't know well. Beijing has lot more history/culture sightseeing than Shanghai and plenty of nightlife In Shanghai I assume everything is ~15 mins away by taxi (like NY), but Beijing's so large/dense that I build in 30 minutes. Wow I've wasted too much time. But that's a brain dump for you. Let me know if you have any questions, and I'd love to hear what others think! Cheers.
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I've lived in NY and Shanghai, loathe Beijing in ways I've only previously responded to Guildford, Ottawa and Indianapolis, and have never even visited San Francisco (although I've very much liked the handful of people I've met who grew up there.) So I can only help you with two. NY (ok, Manhattan) is better for culture (high and low, but especially art and books), walking around, sports and, in a career sense, running or being part of a team that runs anything global. Shanghai wins hands down for food (street food especially), cost of living (even with the crazy rents, miles lower than Manhattan), a sense of optimism allied to a faster pace of living, and running anything regional. In my view, there are a surprising number of ties: equal marks for looking down on the rest of the country as backwards, reactionary hicks; certainty that you're living in one of the few global cities that matters; fabulous views if you live above the 50th floor; local politics as a blood sport; and career acceleration. I don't know what you do but, in one respect at least, I know how to advise you on career prospects: survey 100 Shanghai top execs and 99 will complain that they can't find bilingual, bi-cultural, client-facing staff who are as comfortable talking to a local analyst as they are a western CEO. Do the same survey in NY and you might find one guy, mostly because he's about to move here...
Michael McCormack
General Advantages: 1. High Chance of bumping into very Smart People. So over time you get smarter yourself, and are valued in such an eco-system. 2. Biggest Customers and Best Employees in the same place. So quicker feedback loop and short scaling up period. 3. These cities Growth Hubs for their respective country. While much of the US stagnates, SF and partly NY are growing very well, and are a hub of activity. Other cities like LA are trying to take a page out of their book in growing similar community by following their approach. 4. Productivity of people is square of the number of people living in it. Large cities create business opportunities which are unique to them. Eg. a Startup Events company can best in SF and won't have any audience elsewhere. Such advantages create unique opportunities for denizens. Drawbacks: 1. High Cost of Living: These cities are not the cheapest in the world. 2. Effort for establishing yourself is High. As generally in any field the level of people is so good that for even a great talent may need to prove himself before he gets great opportunities. 3. High Stress Culture: People generally in these cities have long working hours and longer commute times. Locals are used to it, but life outside is generally more relaxed, and adapting to the lifestyle can be stressful. Thanks for reading. http://sangram.me/ http://able-partners.in/
Sangram Singh
I've visited all the cities several times and lived in three, and started businesses in three, so I'll give this a shot, list-style, listing advantages, except where I could not resist listing massive disadvantages: Beijing Culture is fabulous Wonderful people who care about relationships more than emptying your pocketbook Highly cosmopolitan (although that depends on where you choose to hang out). Political center of China Shanghai Commercial center of China Slightly more favorable weather than Beijing Relatively convenient travel to anywhere in China except the West Keep your hands on your pocketbook. Shanghainese, in trade, commerce, and business, seem to exist for the purpose of relieving you of your money. Sure, there are opportunities. After you have paid, paid, paid. SF Weather Restaurants Extremely cosmopolitan and diverse Extremely, extremely liberal. (For those that think this way, it is a genuine attraction) Don't even think about starting a business in this city (or this state) unless you are funded beyond your wildest dreams and expect operating margins better than Apple Computer. Seriously. Regulatory and tax compliance make China seem like a laissez-faire economy... Close to Silicon Valley NY Along with LA, perhaps the best place to be "discovered" in America Media center of the universe. Just ask them. ;-) Restaurants Extremely cosmopolitan and diverse Reasonable travel distance to most of America and Europe
Craig Humphreys
Living in three of those cities, I prefer and live in Shanghai! I pay taxes and get my passport issued in San Francisco, but find enough people too smug there. In Beijing, the smog and its effect on my blood pressure, eliminated that city!
Samuel Liu
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