How's the cost of living in Geneva, Switzerland?

Why is cost of living so high in Switzerland?

  • For example, Zurich is almost one and a half times as expensive to live, as New York, excluding rent - if you check here (http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?country1=Switzerland&city1=Zurich&country2=United+States&city2=New+York%2C+NY )

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    The linked study in the question details is seriously flawed in that it assumes the exact same lifetsyle in both cities. Let's take a few points from the survey and analyse them: Rent and transportation Swiss rent is high, but the urban planning is genius and extremely compact. Public transportation is punctual and fast, and probably one of the best systems in the world. If your rush-hour bus is posted to arrive at 8:23, you can bet on it being there at 8:23 -- and if it arrives at 8:21 it will wait till 8:23 to leave. They have special lanes for them to bypass traffic as well. Buses don't sell tickets on-board (there are vending machines) in order to keep things moving on time. The >100 public transportation companies on Switzerland are all seamlessly integrated into one schedule and ticketing system as well so figuring out how to get somewhere is a breeze. Even hiking trailheads have buses that go to them with clearly posted schedules. What all this means is -- you will never need a car in Switzerland. Even if you live in the countryside you can be just fine without one. That's one big money-saver that pretty much offsets the high rent costs. Food Restaurants in Switzerland are expensive, but in stark contrast to New York, Switzerland does not have a culture of cheap, nutrition-free fast food served on disposable plates; most restaurants are full-service restaurants, and fast food joints generally only appear in touristy areas. Also, there is not a culture of eating out every day for dinner. Most Swiss people go home from work at a fairly early hour and cook their own food on most days, or grab something from the supermarket and take it home to eat, going to restaurants only occasionally with friends and family, so they don't spend that much on food on average. This is in huge contrast to the classic New York lifestyle of paying someone to make every meal for you, creating a market for cheap food, fast food, and 24-hour food. It ends up looking like food is cheaper in New York on average, but it's just that cheap food sector is largely absent in Switzerland and replaced by a lot more home cooking. Consumer Products Although my experience in Switzerland was limited to a 3-month internship, I also noticed a standard of quality that pervades the entire nation. From food to manufacturing, every last thing is done with attention to detail. Stuff you buy just doesn't break like all that made-in-(insert developing country) stuff you get in the USA. That $20 extension cord? It'll last long enough to give to your grandchildren without becoming a fire hazard. So while your New Yorker buys a new $5 extension cord, and then another $5 extension cord in 5 years after the first one breaks, your Swiss grandchild gets a free one and saves money. Remember, reduce first, then reuse, then recycle -- reducing waste comes first, and that comes from quality products that last. It saves money in the long run. Not to mention there are many used markets for everything from gadgets to bicycles, and you should definitely check them out as most of the second-hand stuff, being of that Swiss quality, is in perfect working order second-hand. Leisure Locals in Switzerland don't spend their free time at tourist sights. While tourists get ripped off at touristy places like Jungfraujoch, making the country look expensive, locals are instead going on hikes in the thousands of kilometres of absolutely free hiking trails that run across the whole country. While tourists burn hundreds of dollars a day, many locals don't spend a cent beyond transportation cost and pack a lunch from home. Discounts Unlike the US, discounts in Switzerland are steep for those who need them, such as students. I interned at a university where the cafeteria's standard lunch price was about CHF 14, but the student price was CHF 5.80. Not only is that level of discounting unheard of in the USA, as a student, the final price I paid was actually less than what I usually pay for lunch at a U.S. university (and it was a generous, healthy lunch including side dishes, fruit, and everything, served on ceramic plates with proper metal utensils -- no disposable junk). The price of my monthly pass for Zürich public transportation cut by 50% because I was under 26 years old. I actually ended up paying less in Switzerland than USA for lunch and public transportation because of my age. Wages Average salaries for service industry personnel in Switzerland are higher. Almost nobody is paid "under the table". This also means that if you're in the service industry, you can expect a higher income. So the higher cost of living is also balanced out by greater average buying power. One cannot perform a meaningful 1-to-1 cost comparison between two places in the world without taking into account the differences in ways of living. Think of life being "re-balanced" -- you spend less on some things you would in the USA, but spend more on other things, and ultimately get a fantastic standard of living in general.

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Have you also seen the Swiss wages? They are also high too. It's probably one of the few places in the world right now where you can comfortable support a young family with a typical single income.

Jason Li

How about comparing cities using Expatistan instead, where http://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/comparison/new-york-city/zurich. The eye-watering high prices in Switzerland can mainly explained with the exchange rate. Ever since the GFC, the exchange rate of the Swiss Franc skyrocketed. Whereas in 2008 1$=1.1 CHF, it's now 1$=0.9 (-20%), in 2008 1€ = 1.6, now 1.2 (-25%), which means that for people coming from the USD currency system prices are 25% and from the EUR 33% more expensive. With this we can mainly explain high rents and wages, because no employee or landlord will lower their wage or rent by 25% just because the exchange rate has changed. So everything which is tied to rents and wages may appear expensive, like riding a taxi, going to a restaurant/bar, hotel etc. -> BigMac-Index In addition Switzerland is a country of capitalist commun(itar)ism, which means that we also pay the lowest skilled workers well. The recommended minimum wage is 19 CHF / h (21 USD / 16 EUR). Whereas this is good for Swiss Society as a whole (no working poor), it probably explains best the eye-watering prices for tourists who mainly consume the services of traditionally low-skilled labour, like in bars, restaurants, hotels, taxis, etc. On the other hand, everything which is tied to imported goods is pretty much the same price as elsewhere in the world, and chances are that you may get an iPad (that's why we invented the -> iPad-Index) much cheaper than anywhere else, because of the extremely low sales tax and superior logistics. More generally speaking whenever a good involves superior logistics, they will probably be cheaper in Switzerland than in the low-wage neighbouring countries, like electronics, auction & outlet store items, etc. This is why I always say to others it's not that prices are high in Switzerland it's the other way around - With a Swiss wage, the rest of the world is on sale!!! ;-)

Ralph Lengler

The simplest answer is because wages are commiserate with the cost of living. Paying employees a livable wage means that the costs of goods must reflect that expense. The check-out lady at my local grocery store earns enough money to save up for a trip to Thailand every year and stays there for 10-14 days each time. Tram and bus drivers here make a wage that is higher than most starting engineers in the States, and certainly more than most public school teachers there as well. This in turn means that people have not only enough money to pay their bills, invest in their pensions, and feed and clothe their kids, but also enough to then pump money back into the economy by making spontaneous and planned  purchases in the market place. Simple, really. Unfortunately, devotees of the Chicago School of Economics (i.e. the guys responsible for the current economic crisis) seem to think there are invisible hands that manage the markets (there are actually and they are called avarice and greed) and that if you concentrate the wealth into a small percentage of the population, deregulate industries and let the masters of business do their magic, all will be peachy. So far, that has not worked out so well, has it?

Doug Jackson

I lived in Berlin prior to moving to Basel and have found Switzerland to be much more affordable. Consumer prices are much cheaper in Berlin but salary tends to be low and taxes are high. Visiting Switzerland can be eye wateringly expensive, but living here is reasonable because salaries are higher.

Murray Pung

I have lived in Switzerland for 10 yrs...in a canton (Zug) renowned for low taxes and a high COL (even in Switzerland). To answer your question succinctly, Switzerland is "expensive" because it is a conservative economic system.  Stakeholders rule over shareholders here. However, the common "Switzerland is expensive" rant is entirely driven by one's living situation. Allow me to list the top 5 situation "profiles"...in order of outstanding to "not so outstanding" value. Student. Switzerland's top universities are the best value on the planet.  Imagine an engineering school with a Stanford faculty, MIT budget (1.62B) and 21 Nobel Laureates...but tuition is 2K CHF a year!  Compared to 35K CHF per year (or more) in US top engineering schools. With no offense to the poster with 3 months Swiss experience, excellent public transportation and wholesome food are just perks to the incredible education value. Expat (non US). Two words:low(er) taxes. On income AND assets.  While the situation has changed dramatically over the past 5 years, it is still quite favorable to be a white collar expat, particularly if one lives in France (low COL) and works in Geneva\Lausanne or Basel (high wages). Local. Being a Swiss citizen means having full access to a very healthy social system and never a real concern regarding the availability of gainful employment.  The downside (depending on locale) is sharing your beautiful country with a bunch of overly paid and under taxed foreigners. Tourist. Outside of Singapore, one could not find a more organized country to visit.  Touring Switzerland is the equivalent of camping in a Winnebago...very few discomforts.  Although crime does occur, you are more likely to get mugged at Disney World. It should not surprise any tourist then that the giant protective cocoon has a relatively hefty entry fee for visitors. Expat (US). Unless you are sponsored by a multinational, high margin company...enjoying the high quality of life in Switzerland requires a significant financial commitment for Americans. US citizens pay the same income tax regardless of residency.  In addition, Americans enjoy the opportunity to learn (via well paid accountants) about Swiss tax code (which is quite easy actually), as both US and Swiss returns must be filed regularly.  As part of those returns Americans will now be required to disclose all shareholdings in any foreign firm or expose the firm to possible stiff penalties.  To add to the grimace factor, most Swiss banks, for entirely great reasons (again FATCA), will balk at an American opening a checking account. Unfortunately, this makes Switzerland incredibly "expensive" for American entrepreneurs and/or angel investors. Two final points while I am at my first Quora rant. Yes, public transportation is absolutely stellar. However, if you own young children and have a super busy schedule, you need a car...unless your idea of weekend fun is planning how to transport yourself and various household items. In Bay Area vehicle parlance, a new BMW X5 grocery getter will set you back approx 135K+ USD. Diesel is 8-10 USD per gallon. Insurance is 3K USD per year. Legally required to have both winter and summer tires with good tread. Figure another 2500 USD per set. The good news is most of the driving is done within a 50 mile radius and a 101-style traffic snarl is very rare. Most consumer products in Europe suck. Flimsy plasticky expensive shit prevails.  Sorry to say, but in my experience the nice notion of high quality Swiss/German consumer goods is outdated.  The only positive is you are offered a warranty on nearly everything, which My favorite example is the appliance manufacturer, V-Zug, located in my canton of Zug.  In addition to the factory occupying some of the most expensive real estate in the world (imagine Whirlpool making dryers in Beverly Hills), the appliances are appalling in quality and feature set. A dorm room size frig, with manual freezer defrost, no ice or water and a propensity to not close properly will set you back at least 2K USD.  Due to local building customs, we have V-Zug appliances in both our home and the apartment that we rent out.  Every single appliance has been replaced at least once. Of course, one can still find an incredible level of precision engineering outside or in the top end of the consumer space. So apologies for being long winded, pedantic and likely sounding grossly whiny...but thats my take on "why the cost of living is so high" here in lovely Switzerland!

Michael Dillhyon

key words in some form of logical sequence: geopolitics (local, cantonal, international) neutrality, banking other nations' secrecy nationalism, bureaucracy boasting democracy (more paperwork*) 3.1 official languages (more paperwork*) density, real estate conservatism, xenophobia (=dear only to foreigners and tourists) higher income (form of bribery: "you can't complain") social welfare  (more paperwork*) taxation, mandatory health insurance ("that's just how it goes") Though taxes are relatively low, you do also have mandatory separate ones like TV–radio–Internet tax from an organisation that calls itself BILL-ag, only people generally ignore the hyphenation.* "paperwork" includes manpower to digitise paperwork. All adds up to fewer trees being cut, while "high-tech" pollution may be allowed to increase.  

Alexander St. John

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