What are the pros and cons of doing a PhD at your undergraduate institution?
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Currently a senior undergrad, who is trying to decide whether to stay at my undergraduate institution (top 25 U.S.) to do a PhD in biomedical engineering. My advisor is world-reknown in the field of biomedical imaging and has an extremely productive lab. We get along well and I have published a couple papers with him. Everything seems to be going well, and I could potentially graduate relatively faster if I stayed. The only cons I can think of are that the school's isolated location is a problem for me, and that my perspective will be limited if I stay in the same place for many years. Should I move to another institution?How important is it to be in a different institution for graduate school?
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I have to go anonymous on this one. I understand that you will have already made a choice by now (what was it?), but I want to respond anyway in case I can say something that will help guide others should they happen to agree with my line of reasoning. TL;DR: Go elsewhere provided you get in someplace decent. I'm writing this from the perspective of someone who's getting a PhD in Mathematics at the same place in the U.S. I went to for undergrad. It's, let's say, a "top 10" school any which way you rank it, and since I'm anonymous I'm not saying that to gloat or to advertise. The pros are exactly what Ian said. You have already built a relationship with your adviser and other faculty members, and this way you don't have to prove yourself from scratch. In fact you might graduate early because you may have had prior research experience with your adviser (as seems to be the case with you). Another thing is that you'll be one of the popular kids in the beginning because you're going to "know" people/places, so the other first years will turn to you for various questions. I chose to do this. I knew what I wanted to do and I stuck with it. I came in having a head start of sorts, and it's not all that bad. But it could be better. The cons are summarized nicely in one phrase if you pick up Feynman's book (Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman). He said to go learn what the rest of the world is like. The variety is worthwhile. He could have meant many things by that but I have my own interpretation that goes beyond what he probably had in mind. You should keep the following things in mind: If you are halfway decent and memorable, your relationship with your undergraduate adviser (and other faculty members) does not stop with your undergraduate degree. S/he and other faculty members are always going to be there. Going to college is a unique experience and you are no doubt going to build a special bond with the people around you and the college itself. I sincerely hope that happens to you all. However, you should keep in mind that things aren't actually all that special. There are other great places out there too and you will not know until you give them a chance. Think of it as risking having two special places for the sake of having one special place (that you will possibly grow tired of). According to his book Feynman seems to have thought MIT was the best place on earth (well why not, MIT is a good school), but he found things he loved at Princeton that just weren't there at MIT. You are going to learn more about your field by going elsewhere. Oftentimes PhD candidates have to pass these exams called "qualifying exams", or "generals", or what have you. These are often tailored to your university's particular culture, and if you've come from someplace else you're going to have to adjust what you've already been taught with things you're going to have to know (science is not universal this way). If you were an undergraduate at the same institution then your life is easier in ways I shouldn't have to explain. But why should it, and why should you cut yourself some slack in the learning process? If your goal is to learn as much as possible through your PhD (in a reasonable timeframe) instead of just graduating early, then I would argue that cutting yourself slack in this way is cheating yourself. There are other reasons to keep in mind too but these are the ones I think are worth highlighting. My advice would be to apply to other schools, and if you get into a school roughly at least as good as yours, you should consider going there. I should say that I am a pretty opinionated individual and my views might be wrong. Therefore I urge you (the reader) not to take me too seriously unless you find yourself agreeing with my line of reasoning. Good luck -
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I did my BS and PhD in the same place, albeit with a different research adviser, as did several of my peers. Here are some things you might want to consider: 1. The argument against staying at your undergrad institution is usually along the lines of 'seeing new ways of doing science' or 'gaining a new perspective.' I don't think these sorts of arguments are always valid in modern times, because interactions with and close collaborations with professors at other institutions are much easier than they were in Feynman's days. Additionally, the nature of your interaction with professors as an undergrad is different from as a PhD student. You will likely have the opportunity to gain perspectives by collaborating with, or at least communicating with, other professors at your institution. To this end, something you should consider is the breadth of collaborators your adviser has and also the viability of collaborating with other professors in your department. Figure out for yourself if your perspective will actually be limited by staying in the same place. 2. Are there personal or family reasons why you need to stay at your undergrad institution? Since you said it was a good school, this should trump other arguments. On the opposite side, are there personal or family reasons why you might aim for professorship at your undergrad institution? Since your PhD adviser greatly shapes your academic 'personality' and research direction, you would want to go to another university in this case. 3. If you have offers from multiple universities, you should compare them and see which is objectively the best one, as usual. Some things to consider: professors you might work for, program requirements, reputation of program, how much stipend you get. I ended up staying at my home institution because I pretty much knew what I wanted to do and that university has a dozen professors in my area. 4. At many institutions, the undergrad and grad student cultures are very different. Will this be upsetting for you?
Inna Vishik
The unspoken benefit of doing a PhD at your undergraduate institution is that marks don't matter as much for you. As long as you have networked well with your potential supervisor, you're set. The typical path is to register for all the classes taught by the Prof that you intend to have as your supervisor. Besides doing well in those classes in particular, you will have to participate a lot in those classes and be the one that's always asking questions or contributing to the dialogue (especially the higher level courses). If you're in science you would then ask if the Prof has a position in his/her lab over the summer and you would most likely get in. From there it's all about being a diligent assistant. If you're in arts, you would ask the Prof to be your honours thesis supervisor and things would progress further from there. So long as you do that, you're pretty much guaranteed admission into the graduate program even if your GPA is a low 3.0 In short, if you aren't the most academically robust student but still want to pursue a PhD, doing it at your undergrad institution is an ideal option, provided that you're good at networking - in the end, it's all about who you know. EDIT: Since you updated your question, my response is pretty much irrelevant. I just know the path that some "keeners" take to doing a PhD at their undergrad institution. Nonetheless, from what you're writing, it seems like you're on good terms with your supervisor. It doesn't seem like it would be too much of a struggle for you to complete the PhD there. You should ask yourself: "Do I really want to make things harder on myself?" If you've got a good mentor relationship with your supervisor I see no reason to discontinue it. You've already built up a good hand for yourself - you might as well play it and cash in while you still can. I'm sorry that I'm getting all utilitarian on you but that's just how I see Academia. In the end, a university is just a company and your supervisor is just your manager. If it's working out alright at the moment, ride the wave a little longer.
Ian Gerald King
I think of Science as discovery, and Engineering as advanced applications. Given that, at MIT for many years, the Chemistry department Refused to allow a MIT undergrad in Chemistry to become a graduate student in Chemistry at MIT. They wanted you to Expand your knowledge base, in order to help you in achieving the Discovery that will be necessary to get that PhD. That changed sometime in the 1980s and one is allowed to continue in Chemistry at MIT. However, through-out all of that, the various Engineering departments encouraged students to stay for graduate school. I never applied to the Aero Astro department at MIT. They asked me to stay and do my graduate work. I knew one of the Aero structural professors quite well, and he was doing work in areas that interested me, and he needed a research assistant, and we had a special lab (that was unique), and we had colleagues in other departments that were supportive. I went for an Engineer in Aero & Astro rather than a PhD, and that requires breadth in courses as well as a specialization in the thesis, and I was correct that MIT would support all of that. Additionally, my professor encouraged me to travel to other universities to collaborate, and we hosted two international symposiums in our field while I was a graduate student, that allowed me to meet many others from around the world, in my field. Had I been majoring in Physics, I probably would have followed Feynman's lead and go to a Different university for graduate work in order to get more breadth while preparing for the Discovery phase of science. There was no discovery phase in engineering. Therefore, base your choice on the colleagues that are there, the capability of the testing and research facilities, and the professor(s) with whom you will be working. Make certain that your adviser is Tenured or you risk having your adviser leave for another university while you are in the middle of your thesis. I have known several who faced that and had to move with their thesis adviser or start all over....... Of course, if you have a spouse and children, then Location, Location, Location is essential for family life, and they will be a Big part of your decision process. All the best.
Tom Stagliano
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