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Why commercial planes dont use the f 119 engine ?

  • why they dont use that engine many people says that we dont have the thecnology to make supersonics jets for passanger why they dont use that engine in new generation planes the air ...show more

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    The F119 has 35000 lb of thrust. Contrast that with, say, the PW4000 with thrusts of up to 90000 lb; basically, one would need to make very small jetliners using the F119, or have a ridiculous number of engines to make a big one. And the technology of supersonic that is lacking are - how to reduce supersonic boom - how to make the system more fuel efficient (the F-22 has a range of 1600 nm, that is the typical range of regional jets, not long range jetliners) so that it can be competitive But perhaps even more demanding, as far as civilian supersonic transport is considered, are the certification requirements, which military aircraft do not have to meet. Designing a supersonic commercial airplane can be done, and has been done (the Concorde). What is missing is the billions of $ to finance such a project. And it will not happen because airlines are unwilling to buy an airplane that not enough people will want to fly in as the ticket price will be 5 to 10 times higher that what it is now for a subsonic flight. We aerospace engineers would positively LOVE to develop supersonic transport aircraft. But no one wants to pay. Arrange for the financing and then call us; 'K?

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First, you can't just bolt an F119 engine onto an existing commercial airliner and expect it go supersonic. You have to design the whole airplane for supersonic flight. Second, the engine may be enough to propel a maximum take-off weight of 83,500 lb fighter (though I doubt that it will go supersonic at such heavy weight) but it won't be near enough for a long range commercial airliner. Just for a comparison, an F119 in full afterburner produces 35,000+ pounds of thrust. A GE90-115 on a 777 produces over 115,300 pounds of thrust. Three F119s will come up a little short of replacing a single GE-90. Third, comparing and F119 to a GE-90 is like comparing an engine for a Formula 1 car to that of a family sedan. A race car engine gets rebuilt after every race. With a family sedan, you're lucky if the owner changes oil every 5,000 miles. The F119 was designed for rapid acceleration and thrust vectoring at the expense of longevity. A normal operational tempo for a fighter involves flying about 200-300 hours per year. The GE-90 was designed to run for 18 hours at a time, every day. The technology developed for military engines does find its way into civilian programs and vice versa. The J52 engine from the Navy's EA-6 is nothing more than the JT8D we came to know and love on the Boeing 727/737 and DC-9/MD-80. The engine core of the CFM-56 was developed from the F-16's F110 engine.

Joseph

Commercial jets already have their speeds limited to prevent sonic booms. It isn't that the planes can't go supersonic, they're just restricted from doing so. http://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.817

Knuckles

The F-119 has an extremely high thrust-weight ratio. On the F-22, just 50% thrust makes a TW ratio of 1.26. That's a lot, but if you put, say, eight F-119s on a Boeing 737, it won't get past Mach 1, if it does make Mach 1. Compare the 737 and Concorde. The Concorde looks like an over-sized fighter jet. Swept-back wings don't work out too well for supersonic flight, while deltas are more suitable. Also, look at the 737's (or some other subsonic airliner) nose. It's blunt, like a Sharpie cap. Supersonic aircraft have noses that have a slight resemblance to fine-point Sharpie tips. Should your regular airliner be capable of mounting the F-119, it's not going to fly. The engines are just too powerful, so they'll either shoot the wings away or launch the engines into a fiery explosion.

Hanson

Civilian supersonic jets are obsolete. Originally, they were meant to transport business heads to different parts of the world quickly to attend meetings and such. With teleconferencing and the rise of multinational corporations, meetings such as this are required very seldom - or not at all - in this day and age. The prohibitive cost to the passenger (a cost that used to be covered by businesses...) keeps it from being a means of flight to tourists and leisure travelers.

Thomas, Knower of All

we can make supersonic airliners, and have done so. nobody wants them.

Angela D

because the engines on commercial jets are powerful enough as it is and in most cases are too big for that engine

For the 10,000th time..... The marketplace does not need Supersonic airliners. Tech is not the issue. Noise, fuel & passenger volume is the issue.

lana_sands

The answer is "or what". It is not the lack of technology or unavailability of appropriate engines, it is simply a matter of economics. Supersonic flight is simply not efficient enough from a cost standpoint to make it viable for commercial purposes.

Zaphod_Beeblebrox

It's the wrong size. Engines are designed to meet the specific thrust and size requirements of an airplane design. Airplanes are not designed to use a particular engine. If an airplane was being designed that happened to need an engine with the characteristics of the F119 a commercial version would be developed.

Howard L

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