What is Fiat Creation?

Who should be allowed to issue a fiat currency?

  • Question stems from the Economist article, "http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21569744-use-pre-paid-mobile-phone-minutes-currency-airtime-money?fsrc=scn%2Ffb%2Fwl%2Fpe%2Fmobile, The use of pre-paid mobile-phone minutes as a currency". Right now, since people in Africa are skeptical of their reserve banks, people are trading phone minutes. From the article, "As one industry executive puts it, network operators are, in effect, “issuing their own currency” and setting its exchange rate; central banks tend to dislike such things. Others worry that airtime could be used by criminal or extremist groups to move money covertly." -X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X-X- From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money "is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money that derives its value from government regulation or law. The term fiat currency is used when the fiat money is used as the mainhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency of the country. The term derives from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fiat#Latin ("let it be done", "it shall be").http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-1 Fiat money originated in 11th century http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-2 and its use became widespread during the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Dynasty and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ming_Dynasty dynasties.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-3 During the 13th century, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Polo described the fiat money of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuan_Dynasty in his book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Travels_of_Marco_Polo.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-MilesScott-4http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-Marco_Polo-5 The http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_Shock of 1971 ended the direct convertibility of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar to gold. Since then all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency have been fiat currencies, including the U.S. dollar and the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money#cite_note-Scheurer-6"

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    This is a great question. When we talk about fiat money in general we are talking about money which presumes to derive its value from the promise of a government rather than than having some inherent value, perhaps like a commodity like gold would. Of course, if we take a step back, things in general only have value when people are willing to part with other things of value in exchange for them. If I have carrots and you have onions, we can agree upon some exchange rate and trade. Unfortunately that would mean that we might have to divide up things that are indivisible (say, half of an iPod) and we would have to keep an incomprehensibly gigantic mental database which relates the exchange rate of everything in terms of everything So to get around that people invented money. Money is used to communicate and denominate value. So there needs to be a way for people to convert their wealth (things of value up for exchange) into money. So who gets to issue this money? Obviously it would be a pretty sweet gig if you did, right? You could issue yourself as much as you wanted and within reason, in proportion to the size of your economy you could just make yourself extremely wealthy, but in order to do that, you would have to convince everyone that your money was the valuable stuff which should be worth trading your valuables for. So we can try a little experiment where I decide to issue "Ben Bucks." I'll issue pieces of paper and you can give me jewelry, your car, your house, your food, and so on. You can work for me and I'll pay you in Ben Bucks. Sound good? If so, let me know and we can get right on that. In other words, you have no good reason to believe that Ben Bucks are worth anything, and therefore would not sell your stuff to me in exchange for them. That being said, if I could give you a really good reason to believe that Ben Bucks are worth something, you might actually be willing to do it. Nonetheless, the value of that money is always going to be proportional to the rarity of it coupled with the desirability of it. In fact, you see little  microcurrencies crop up naturally in different scenarios. Our local  farmers market lets you buy $1 tokens with a credit card so you can pay  vendors. Arcades sell tokens which are used to operate the machines  which dispense tickets which can be exchanged for prizes. In both cases, you take on faith that the objects you're acquiring to use as money have actual value to them. Fiat money is when someone issues their own version of Ben Bucks, and supplies a reason which is convincing enough as to why you should use their money. Usually the reason is something like, "We're the government, and we love you. We stand behind this money 100%. We have a big military and a big police force, and we have the ability to tax people as much as we want, so you can trust that this money has value." Of course, that's not the main reason people use fiat money. They use it because everyone else does. It's not a hard decision to work for US Dollars because everyone pretty much accepts them. So back to the original question. Who should be allowed to issue fiat currency? Allowed by whom? The government? The citizens of the US? Ultimately it doesn't really matter. You can try to issue your own currency if you want. The main question is whether you can get people to exchange things of value for it and that depends on them trusting you and trusting your ability to ensure that their money holds its value. Traditionally, this was viewed as such a significant task that essentially money took the form of a proof-of-deposit that somewhere there is a room with gold or silver in it which you could go and get. Since gold is publicly traded everywhere and it can't be created or destroyed (less a bit of mining), people felt comfortable using dollars instead. Now instead the task of expanding and contracting the money supply is controlled by the Federal Reserve. Do you trust them?

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On an economic basis, (that is, considering economic governance), I think it makes an interesting idea.. and local scrip has certainly appeared in both Greece and Ireland since the crisis began. It's appearance can generally be taken to be a sign of of unstable currency & prices, as well human economic ingenuity to overcome the instabilities. Of course, you can't really call it "fiat currency". When private individuals create and issue the currency... its called "scrip". In both US and latin american history, the appearance of scrip has however been a source of economic instability... because it often happened that its usefulness was limited (not everyone would accept it)...and its credibility was also limited (issuers of scrip could and did default on their obligations to honor it, causing some economic dislocation). So... overall, I think that the idea has got some potential, as long as issuing parties can be held liable to accept the scrip...and not default on their obligations on it as currency. This means that it's convertibility must be maintained. Also (and this is important)... it should not be issued on the LABOR market... because it has been used as a tool to perpetuate debt-slavery in both the US and Latin america. It should be used only on the goods markets I say. In terms of whether it might get used to hide black market transactions, I cannot speak to that.

Max Berre

Gold or diamonds could also be used by criminal or extremist groups. What are you going to do, ban gold and diamonds? Bitcoin could also be used by criminal or extremist groups. What are you going to do, ban encryption?

Robin Green

Anyone can issue any type of currency, including currency with no use value outside of being a currency, i.e, fiat. Sometimes local rules might try to prevent it, but that doesn't change the fact that it remains true that anyone can issue any currency, not just a government.   And that's the way it should be too. However, whether anyone will use a given currency is another matter entirely, and it is people's use of a currency that determines its adoption, not its issuance.   From this it can be seen that the usefulness to people of a given currency is derived from a belief that it will be needed and used by lots of other people. That explains why bulky metals have persisted for so long as means of exchange and buying-power preservation. It also explains why fiat currencies work just as well, if not better, than metallic or other physical commodity based currencies for these purposes and why government issued currencies of any kind, fiat or not, tend to become adopted over other alternatives that people might issue, even when no law or other authority tries to prevent it.   If a government requires payment of taxes in a given currency, then it necessarily creates a need for that currency, and rational users of currency for any purpose can rest assured that as long that government will collect taxes in the currency it declares acceptable, it will be used by lots of people and therefore be accepted as a medium of exchange for nearly everything else too-- it will find a very liquid market very easily. Even a very large, private corporation is unlikely to ever be able to compete with a government's currency unless the products of such a company are so universally used by a number of people comparable to those who pay taxes.  Such a condition, while theoretically possible, can occur only in two cases: 1)  If taxation -- not spending -- is a very low proportion of total exchange activity in an economy, a condition which has never existed in the capitalist era and quite possibly cannot exist as long as capitalism does.  And 2) if the power of a government to compel people to pay taxes becomes so weak that enough people doubt whether a given currency will continue to be used by others.

James Kielkopf

Looking at the existing answers, there seems to be a great deal of confusion as to what fiat money is, as well as confusion between the issue of such money and its use by people. Fiat money is simply money that is not convertible at a fixed rate into some other valuata on demand of the holder; nor is it specie. It is not necessary that there was once such a conversion that was subsequently abolished (e.g. U.S. sliver certificates). In fact, the first Chinese paper money had no backing other than the Chinese government's promise to accept it in payment of taqxes. The first Western fiat money (issued in France during the Regency of Louis XV) had the same characteristics. If people believe that a particular fiat money is not sound, they will use something else when so doing is permitted by law. A recent example was the widespread use of U.S. dollars in Russia during the 1990s. In reality, fiat money is often used because the issuing government mandates its use within its territory. Buyer and seller are generally (but not always) free to use some other means of debt settlement by mutual agreement, but if one of them insists on settling the debt in the money appropriate to the place, the other must comply. Not long ago, I was involved in an incident that illustrates this aspect of compulsion. I was purchasing an airline ticket in the Geneva (Switzerland) airport from an airline (name omitted to protect the guilty). After the ticket had been prepared, they asked for a credit card. I said that I would pay cash in Swiss Francs. They refused, saying that they only accepted cards. After several minutes of dispute, I pointed to a nearby policeman and asked if they would like to explain to him why they were refusing to accept Swiss money. The airline then declared that it would make an exception this time and accept cash. Effectively, this aspect of compulsion, as well as the aspect of acceptance for taxes, restricts the issue of fiat money to governments.

Richard I. Polis

I don't know what do you mean by fiat money originated in China. So far as I know, fiat currencies do not originate by themselves. They start as commodity based currencies, then a central banks nationalise the commodity and issues currency in return. When the government runs a deficit and sees trouble brewing, it removes the backing. But by the time it is done, people start thinking of the currency as wealth and most people do not understand the importance of this backing. This started from ancient Athens and continued till the last century. Just remember whether the American public really cared when Nixon closed the gold window. Governments don't usually start printing something random currency and declare it as money. Even when the Euro started, they used a conversion rate against individual former currencies to make people accept it. In that case, people trusted the former currencies and those were perceived as backing the euro. This is what gave value to the euro.

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