Should I choose Yale after a mandatory gap year, or Duke this year? I just graduated from high school and I intend to go to med school.
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FINAL EDIT: Someone just withdrew from Yale and now I have the option to attend this year! Nonetheless, I am still considering a gap year and Duke vs Yale. I have about a week left!! EDIT: I am guaranteed to be a member of next year's class at Yale, unless someone withdraws by the end of the summer (which is highly unlikely). I never considered a gap year before, and don't really have anything lined up yet...are there still very meaningful things I can set up to become a part of in this coming month? (I would like to do research, volunteer work, and perhaps travel). Any programs, internships I can still apply for? On the other hand, I can go to Duke this year. I intend to go to med school... so one of my thoughts is: why wait?! By the end of all my studying, I will be 29/30 (I'm currently 18)! The other thing I'm thinking is: will going to Yale help in any way in terms of grad school applications-are there any more/diff/better opps at Yale? I like both schools so this is a really tough decision so I would appreciate any thoughts. I only have a few days to decide, so hurry pls!! EDIT 2: I have performed very well in high school (even taking university-level classes) and am not part of any legacy, minority, etc. so I don't think I'm being encouraged to improve further academically.
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Your desire to go to med school is completely irrelevant in this decision. I'm well aware that there is some idiotic lore floating around the troll-ridden realms of SDN[1] and other online forums about what undergraduate institutions will give you the best shot at med school, but in your case, you should ignore all of it. When you're picking between two world-class institutions like Yale and Duke, the difference in academic strength for med school apps is negligible and anyone who says otherwise is full of shit. Corollary: the effect a gap year could/will have on your med school apps is also irrelevant in this decision. Unless you decide to sit at home and do diddly squat or just party all the time, you should/will grow significantly as a human being. Forget med school, this will help you in life. As for what to do in that gap year... Why are you asking strangers for "very meaningful" things, and why are you defining this so narrowly? Stop. At this stage in your life, the point of a gap year is not to achieve X, Y, Z to beef up your resume (you have plenty of time in college for that with internships, projects, etc). You should approach the idea of a gap year with the desire to become a more complete, more independent, stronger human being. You need to determine what will allow you to achieve that goal. Some examples: If you've never had a full-time job, fix that now. If you've never managed your own finances before, fix that now. If you've never lived independently before (i.e. 0 financial support from your parents, you live in your own place, you take care of yourself), fix that now. If you've never developed a habit for consistent exercise, fix that now. If you've never learned how to shop/cook for yourself, fix that now. If you've never learned how to do your own laundry, fix that now. If you've never developed an extracurricular skill on your own, fix that now. If you've never traveled out of the country and been completely out of your element before[2], fix that now. If you've done all the above, fantastic, you're miles ahead of your peers. But if you haven't and you want to enter the profession that takes care of others, learn first to take care of yourself. I'm consistently shocked/dismayed at how many incomplete dilettantes in arrested development enter med school every year. Someone bright-eyed noob who's never been outside their little pampered comfort zone will simply not have the gravitas to connect with the poor immigrant father of three who hasn't taken his blood pressure medication in 6 months because he wanted the money to go to bills instead so he could keep a roof over his family. Don't rush. That kills patients. You're 18. The majority of people who say at this age that they want to enter medicine end up choosing not to, so statistically, chances are high this will be irrelevant to you, but if we assume that your conviction is strong and you continue along this path, realize that this career is not for the impatient. You ask why anyone should wait. I'll give you the straightforward and honest answer: because chances are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect, and unfortunately, this can only be fixed with greater experience. When you're 18, your raging hormones have a tendency to make you think you're physically made of rubber and magic and therefore invincible; with this immaturity also comes the tendency to think you have the smarts to tackle just about anything. Both of these are false, but people don't really get out of this mindset until around age 25 or so when their frontal cortexes finish myelinating. It's a natural thing. I know it's aggravating to keep being told "Hey, just wait", but try to have faith in the wisdom of those a bit more experienced than you--we remember all too well how annoying that advice was. The truth is, the more mature you are when starting med school, the more you'll appreciate it, and the more you'll get out of it. In other words: the age at which you will finish your training is one of the worst reasons to not take a gap year. In the end, it comes down to this: go with whatever school fits you best. If that's Yale, take the gap year, and do whatever it takes to come out the other end a better person. If that's Duke, skip the gap year and work to incorporate this growth in your college experience; it'll be a bit slower as you'll be balancing your academic load, but it's still reasonably doable. Hope that helps. ~~~~ [1] Although I guess I'm not sure if they're trolls or just people who are absurdly anal-retentive/socially incompetent. Neither would surprise me. [2] No, going to Britain or Canada does not count; neither does a holiday resort. How uncomfortable can you be if you go to a place where they speak the same language as you? Don't be a tourist; dive in and live somewhere different for a while, because that's what changes you. That said, please pick a safe destination, and take appropriate travel precautions; I am not telling you to go participate in guerrilla warfare with child soldiers. If you are female, please also realize that there are many regions of the world where it may not be advisable to travel alone.
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I have two thoughts: 1) I went to Yale and my sister went to Duke. They are both great schools that will prepare you well for whatever you want to do afterward. But they are going to be different experiences. One school is in the South, the other in the Northeast. Duke is big on sports (particularly basketball). At Yale, sports are an afterthought. Yale has a residential college system and a pretty insignificant Greek scene; Duke has no residential college system and thus frats and sororities are more important. Please, please make this decision based on fit and quality of life, not on which school will put you in a better position after you graduate. 2) If I were you, I would look at the opportunity to take a gap year as a HUGE positive. I am about to start medical school at UCSF at 28 years old, 6 years after I graduated from college. The 22-year-old 1st year medical student is quickly becoming the exception rather than the rule. I think that the median age of our incoming class at UCSF is 25 or 26. Take a year off to travel and explore new interests and figure out who you are and what makes you tick. If money is an issue, work a shitty job for part of the year to fund your travels -- that will be a hugely important experience in its own right. You're still young. I guarantee that 10 or 20 years down the road, you won't regret taking time to grow and explore.
Rob Inglis
First off, kudos on your accomplishments and admissions to two fantastic universities! That is no small feat! Go with the school that "feels" more right to you and where you feel more at home. These are both top tier, highly respected academic environments, so it's not as if there are real questions of caliber or brand value on your résumé. Your comfort with the campus, the community, and the surrounding cities will be a huge part of your multi-year time and financial investment. New Haven, CT and Durham, NC are different cities in very different parts of the country. If in your heart of hearts, however, you truly like them both the same, then I'd favor the opportunity to take the gap year. Who I thought I was and what I thought I knew at 17-18 and at 22-23 were very different. This is from the vantage point of my mid-30s, where I am more confused than ever and know next to nothing... and am as happy as can be. The opportunity to take that year is very likely to be great chance to learn about the world and about yourself, and will almost certainly help you get more out of the major investment of time & money that you put into a college education. You may wind up choosing to steer your life in a different direction than you thought.
Ian McCullough
Both will more than adequately prepare you for med school admissions. Pick a school based on best fit (location, student life, etc...).
James Pan
Those are some fantastic options. I haven't attending either school, though I have visited on several occasions. I have, however, gone to medical school (including with many graduates from Duke and Yale) and I can say that both schools will prepare you well for medical school. One piece of unsolicited advice would be to not major in "Pre-med". Pick a subject (chemistry, physics, biology, biochemistry, etc.) and be good at that. You never know if you'll change your mind later, and a pre-med major isn't quite the same as a physics major, in my opinion.
Michael Shiloh
As I haven't had the slightest interest in applying for medical school or becoming a doctor since I was 13 years old, I won't presume to tell you what to do to maximize your chances of getting into med school. (I would suspect choosing between Duke and Yale and deciding whether or not to take a gap year are irrelevant to your chances. What matters most, I'd bet, is what you do with your college career whenever it is that you get there: your grades, your MCAT scores, and extracurriculars that demonstrate intangible qualities desired in doctors, such as commitment to community, caring for others, enthusiasm/abilities for scientific research, ability to overcome real-life challenges, etc. etc.) But I do have a couple things you should think about: Volunteering and travel are not things for which there are deadlines. You can start travelling at any time, and there are sure to be opportunities for you to volunteer whenever you want to start. I think both are great options for spending a gap year. If you decide to travel, I urge you to do so in a way that takes you away from the familiar and forces you to interact with the locals. That's the most fun, and it's the way to make you think, and make you grow as a person. If you choose to volunteer, I urge you to pick your experience not based on what you think will look good on your med-school application, but where you can do the most good for those who need your help the most. People -- by which I mean admissions officers -- aren't stupid. They know a resume padder when they see one. I also wanted to comment on this statement: "Why wait?! By the end of all my studying, I will be 29/30 (I'm currently 18)!" Yes, when I was your age, I thought 29 or 30 was "old," too. It's not. Whether you complete your training to be a doctor at age 29, 30, 31, or 32, you can still expect to have a career of 35 to 40 years, if you wish. A headstart of a year or two is not going to make a real difference in how fast your career advances. You're in a rush to get to what you see as the destination right now, and that's common for those finishing high school. But I'd urge you to focus on the experience and the "journey" itself. I know this sounds corny. But in this, as in many things in life, focusing on the destination actually makes it more difficult to reach, while focusing on the journey makes the destination more worthwhile.
Kent Fung
I think there may be a small flaw in the question: you are asking for a choice between two options, with no quantifiers or qualifiers included. Thus, you will only get definitive answers from individuals who have predetermined biases, one way or the other. Under these circumstances, I'd have to recommend Duke. If you were to provide a little further color to your question, it might encourage a wider diversity of answers, each bringing with it some more robust reasoning. For instance, if you were to explain (as a theoretical example) that you want your undergraduate institution to be the same as your post graduate (medical) one, and that you want to specialize in such-and-such a medical field, people with more knowledge than I possess would be able to advise you as to (a) the trends for each medical school pulling from its own undergraduate pool, (b) the reputation and facilities of each medical school as it relates to your chosen medical field, and/or (c) the benefits or disadvantages of continuing your postgraduate education at the same institution that you undertook your undergraduate studies. UPDATE: Saw that you have added some "color commentary" to your question, subsequent to my original answer above! Hope it proves helpful. For my part, I can now further respond by suggesting that your decision needs to be borne of your own self- evaluation: do you think this stage in your life (and possibly your life in the future) is best served by a gap-year experience that will enrich you in ways that only "in the field" experience can do? Or do you believe that it is more useful to forge ahead with completion of your education, thereby shifting that "impact" year ahead to when you are a fully qualified physician? Can you do more good, and be more fulfilled, as a young volunteer of 18, or as a young doctor of 29? Perhaps those aren't your governing criteria? Decide what is important to you at this juncture, and - without really knowing you - might I suggest that anyone who has succeeded in securing places at two of the nation's most selective universities, regardless whether deferred or otherwise, is likely to maximize the value of whatever experience they engage upon. I am confident you will get the best out of either course of action, and prosper. More importantly, I hope you will do great things for others, whether now or later!
Nicholas de Wolff
I wouldn't recommend a gap year unless you can work out detailed and specific plans for it. I took one. While I eventually did some great stuff (field research in Ecuador, EMT certification), the amount of time I spent doing nothing really killed my work ethic and study habits for when I got to college. If you're considering it, start doing your research immediately. It's very likely that there are still plenty of programs, internships, or jobs you can apply for. Maybe not many during the fall, but certainly the rest of the year; and in any case, it's better not to have choice paralysis. If you have the opportunity, traveling can certainly be a good way to fill up time that you can't schedule a program for. Be decisive. Find options, determine what you most want to do, and apply for it now. Don't sit around agonizing up until deadlines.
James Pitt
As others have noted, you have amazing opportunities before you, regardless. Assuming financials aren't a factor (and it sounds like ability isn't either), and assuming that you're set on a career in medicine, I see very little downside to starting your education immediately at Duke. There has been research showing that where a person is admitted to school is a better predictor of ultimate success than where they attend. With two amazing schools, filled with amazing faculty, the marginal difference is unlikely to be substantial. The experience may be different, but you can make of it what you choose - whether you're making friends in a college house or through campus organizations, you can still make friends. However, you don't currently have a plan to make full use out of a gap year (and it doesn't sound like you need to catch up on the basics), so a gap year at this point sounds like it would waste time (and time is much more precious than a brand name of a school). Starting at Duke now will get you to medical school earlier, get you to residency earlier, and get you practicing medicine earlier. When it's all said and done, you can retire a year earlier, or work a year longer and save more lives than you could if you delayed a year. Duke is also located in the research triangle, allowing for countless opportunities for research experience along the way, in innovative private companies, if not in the many medical schools in the area. Good luck to you, regardless of the path you choose.
Andrew Boysen
I strongly suggest that you visit both Duke and Yale, and choose the place you feel most comfortable in. Duke and Yale were different schools in two very different places 30 years ago when I was at Duke, and, I suspect they're still very different. BTW, I started out as premed, and ended up as a CPA/MBA. Don't be surprised if you change your mind, and be open to new opportunities that await you at college. You're obviously an outstanding student and will be successful at any major university. Good luck to you!
Ronni L. Graff
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