Why do students from India go for Masters courses like MS in IS, IN, MIS and SE, in the US?
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I see a lot of students from many undergraduate colleges in India (including my own tier-2 school), batch-mates and online peers (linkedin, facebook) who pursue Masters courses in the US top-30 universities, in non-CS-but-related fields. These are MS programs in IS (Information Security), IN (Information Networking), MIS (Management of Information Systems) and SE (Software Engineering) - all of which different from the MS CS or MS ECE. Some of the traits of these degrees are: They are offered by separate institutes by departments other than Dept. of CS and ECE [why?], yet they borrow some/several of the courses, faculty and resources from these departments. From their course listings, they do have technical content, capped at a certain amount, with the rest being project/IT management subjects which impart skills for project management and execution, but not precisely computer system/architecture design and development. I would like to understand why exactly do so many students go in for these programs ? Since I am considering higher technical post-graduate education in the US, I am not able to determine exactly the value add of a course which is neither completely technical, nor can be considered an MBA-equivalent. Yet so many students are working hard and enlisting for these programs, it makes me wonder if I am missing something which I don't understand. My own interest is in a professional MS CS which is course-intensive (non-thesis) in Systems Software and Computer Architecture to enhance my career as an engineer in the systems software domain. Should I also apply to a few such courses/universities as well ? What does the career profile of such (IS/IN/MIS/SE) students look like after 5, 10, 20 years and do they go for further higher education afterwards too ? What are their typical job roles in the industry after graduation. How exactly do they compete/size-up for jobs with the non-thesis grad students in CS or ECE departments ? Higher education abroad is expensive abroad, and is it worth investing in a non-traditional interdisciplinary course. Would welcome some genuine insights on these questions above.
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I fit the bill of your description. I am from a tier-2 school (or maybe even tier-3? huh) and went for Master's in Software engineering from National University of Singapore which is ranked 9th in http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/university-subject-rankings/2012/computer-science-and-information-systems. But frankly and honestly, my reasons were different for choosing this program namely: I was an IT graduate. Yes!! I had done my bachelor's in Information Technology and had not studied subjects like NLP or core theoretical CS, although my interest lied in operating systems and satellite communications. I strongly wanted to pursue MS in CS with major's in Networking but my background made it difficult for me since it emphasized heavily on practical development. NUS was a dream university. I looked at the course and was intrigued at the opportunity to study in one of the top CS schools in world. 3/15 courses were from school of computing while the courses being offered by our faculty too had CS course (being taken by equally good profs). Only 4/15 were compulsory modules while others were at my discretion and I finally ended up doing 8/15 CS modules. The course prospectus clearly mentioned that it was a practice based course and wouldn't help a student towards getting an admit in PhD but I had always thought that what we achieve out of a course is solely our discretion and indeed, one of my classmates is now admitted at NUS PhD program, researching in data mining. Course subjects are a very small part of what we actually achieve out of doing masters. I had this notion in mind and I am actually proud that I chose this program rather then settling for masters in CS from some other unknown school. Why? Because you get to meet some great minds and learn hell lot apart from the coursework. The professors are some of the best in Industry (1 of them had a springer publication Java book to her name while another was founder of a Sequoia capital funded company), activities are amazing (Regular tech talks and Hackfests from Google, Palantir, Blackberry etc.), people around you are brilliant (I joined a club called http://nushackers.org/ and I can safely say that they were some of the most intelligent people around), resources and facilities are world class (picture of Education resource center in Utown which houses some hostels) The best companies in Industry recognize your school and you get a shot at securing your dream Job. All the major tech companies like Google, Facebook, Microsoft , Quora (Quora has 3 employees from NUS and this figure is from the days when it had just 35 people working) would interview you If you suit their requirements (meaning you have done enough work). To answer your question about where these people end up in 5,10 years, It solely depends on their abilities and that is what decides their future. As a matter of fact, I ended up securing job at Microsoft and had to miss an interview at Google due to some complications and believe me, I had no problem what so ever in facing these Interviews although I had done my masters from Software Engineering. In fact, It helped me since I was more versed with software design & development. I believe, studying at a good school gives us a great platform to launch ourselves. An example of this is . I hope I have answered your questions.
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My post will be more inclined to IS (Information Security) and MIS (Management of Information Systems) perpective. I would like to understand why exactly do so many students go in for these programs ?- The reason is very simple. 1. Both the domain have high projected job growth and median salary. http://www.marketsandmarkets.com/PressReleases/cyber-security.asp http://study.com/articles/Salary_and_Job_Information_for_MIS_Majors.html 2. People with an interest in Ethical Hacking will not be able to find a decent Masters in India. (Except a few institutes like IIIT Hyderabad,Delhi and a few more.) 3. MIS is more business oriented. How do you expect an MBA grad with no knowledge of IT to lead a project team in an IT firm? 4. MIS also helps you to go up the corporate ladder. If you are working in an IT firm for 2+ years, you will understand what I mean. Since I am considering higher technical post-graduate education in the US, I am not able to determine exactly the value add of a course which is neither completely technical, nor can be considered an MBA-equivalent. - It actually depends on the industry requirement and your goal. It is of no use studying Finance and HR courses in MBA when your target is to be a Product Manager, Project Manager or CIO/CTO. Hence first decide what you love to do, based on that, take your decision, Is it a) Excessive curiosity, clear technical know-how and a knack to find faults in programs -- Information Security is good for You b) Managing projects, interacting with people, understanding human behaviour, leading a team -- MIS is good for you Should I also apply to a few such courses/universities as well ? What does the career profile of such (IS/IN/MIS/SE) students look like after 5, 10, 20 years and do they go for further higher education afterwards too ? - Already answered WARNING: PERSONAL SUGGESTION- MS in MIS is of not for you if you are planning to enhance your career as an engineer in the systems software domain. You may need information security knowledge for systems software domain(as hardware security is a new trend in Intel now), but the MS in IS is not for you as it is totally different. What are their typical job roles in the industry after graduation. -Partially Answered. For more reference, please check this links http://study.com/articles/Salary_and_Job_Information_for_MIS_Majors.html (Already posted above... but it covers this question as well) http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/off-topic/the-top-10-highest-paying-jobs-in-information-security-part-1/ How exactly do they compete/size-up for jobs with the non-thesis grad students in CS or ECE departments? IS and MIS compared to CS or ECE are of different breed. You cannot compare a shark with an eel just because both are fish. In Information Security domain, jobs are growing day by day as one security breach may cost a company in millions, along with bad reputation. All countries are now gearing up for Cyber-warfare and hence demand in this field is huge. But skilled workforce is not inadequate. Plain CS grads are not preferred for this. http://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/latest-security-news/u-s-federal-cyber-security-workforce-is-inadequate-says-report/ I would suggest you check the course curriculum. Higher education abroad is expensive abroad, and is it worth investing in a non-traditional interdisciplinary course. - There is no guarantee even in investing traditional interdisciplinary course. BEST OF LUCK for your future endeavours. :D
Nirjhar Bera
A2A. You are asking a question without stating your goals, and frankly, it does not matter what programs are in the abstract if they do not help you to meet your goals.Based on your preference of "Systems Software and Computer Architecture," you are talking about a Computer Science, Computer Engineering, or Software Engineering programs that are offered as either specializations in a given department or a separate department. Usually Systems is an Computer Science specialization, and Computer Architecture is CPE or EE specialization. Some universities like MIT and Berkeley have EECS departments that offers both specializations, and some universities like Stanford have separate CS and EE Departments. Which department you would apply depends how the university is organized. You are training to be a Software and/or Hardware Engineering.IS (Information Security), IN (Information Networking), MIS (Management of Information Systems) are technical administrative degrees that manage software not develop it. The MS emphasis is more technical where the MBA is managerial. To see exactly where the different between these degrees and an engineering degree such as MSCS, you would need to look at specific programs.Why US? I believe it is access to the US job market is why Indian students choose to study in the US. Of the top 100 CS Departments, 36 are in the US, see http://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/computer-science.
J. Lee Anthony
While in India the PG choice is CSE or MCA (except for the lucky few who secure ranks for the national institutes). Generally, the selection abroad (at almost any university) is much more diverse. Traditional CS in foreign universities is more theoretically oriented, while these other courses are more practically/application oriented. Some students may prefer the practical style of learning. If it is "worth it," is up to yourself, your interest and skills, whether you will be able to land a job afterwards.
Søren Atmakuri Davidsen
Yeah, ask me. In University of Edinburgh, and won't be able to pass. Why? Because, I made a mistake in choosing wrong subjects. I selected machine learning courses, but forgot that I have been trained in software engineering, not in machine learning.We Indians tend to go by society perceptions more instead of our own strength. This is the reason. No subjects are bad, it is just that if we have done something for many years, they seem to be easy. May be, if all of us had soviet union style of education, then, for us, machine learning etc would not have been tough.We are paid to do a job, not to learn a job.
Radhakrishna Lambu
Thanks for A2A!Iâll try to answer most of the concerns you have mentioned above in your question,1.Why many students go for MS in IS/IN/MIS/SE ?I donât have any stats but then I kind of feel a lot of people go for CS equally. In fact, I see many people taking up CS because they think MIS/SE/IN/IS are meant for people with poor profiles.2. What value add does these Techno Management courses have?IS/IN/MIS/SE are not always techno management. The curriculum varies from university to university depending on the department that offers these courses. For example, TAMU has a management oriented MIS while UCinn had a technical MIS program. Besides, as far as I know, Information Security/Information Networking donât fall in the techno management category. All these courses in my opinion are professional courses more suited for people with relevant experience around 2â4 years to progress ahead in their career.3. What are the job prospects for these courses? How do they stack up with CS?I donât know about IS/IN but at least with respect to MIS, people get into analytics, consulting, project management, software development etc. SE should get you a technical role again.If your ultimate goal is software development, CS grads will obviously be given a higher preference and these MIS/SE/IS/IN grads have to compete with CS grads in getting a developer role.In my case, I wanna explore consulting roles and hence MIS would give me a shot at that. Besides, I know people with pretty good profiles taking up these unconventional courses. Think what your absolute destination would be and make a reasonable decision.Hope this helps! All the very best!
Vijay Krishnan K
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