Which language learning program is more effective: Pimsleur or Rosetta Stone?
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Pimsleur seems to focus more on speech, whereas Rosetta Stone seems to focus on speech and reading. Which approach works better, based on your own experience?
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Answer:
I used Pimsleur and Rosetta when I started learning Chinese few years ago. They were both very useful but I think they have quite different purposes : Pimsleur is to get quickly some basic conversational skills, Rosetta Stone is to approach a language and understand its structure by example. Pimsleur method is very good to learn sentences and expressions to be used directly. Each lesson is based on a dialog and there is no written materials. Therefore, it is useful when you want to get quickly some basic oral skills to help you in daily life - for example if you go in a country with a language you don't know. The Pimsleur method is focused on conversation i.e. listen, understand and answer simple sentences. Many podcasts do quite the same thing online - train you to conversational skills. The learning environment is often 2-3 guys having a discussion about a short piece of dialog and everything is about getting to talk. Rosetta Stone is a more exploratory approach of a language and its structure based on visual signs (images). It will not give you quick conversation skills but will provide an understanding of how words come together in context. I learnt with an old basic version of Rosetta Stone Chinese. The principle was very simple: within 4 images, you should chose which of them match a given sentence (written or spoken). The software has now evolved in something more fancy that includes achievements, progress monitoring, grammar, etc. but the core idea still the same. It allows you to scrutiny carefully how sentences are structured, how they relates to reality and to each other and how the language finally comes together. All this is achieved by looking at many examples (that is also why you won't find any translations in the software). Some people will surely think : "Then Pimsleur is better, because it is more hands-on and provide straight usable skills". It is true if you just need to make your way through a language for very specific purposes like short business travels or leisure. Then for me, the main issues with Pimsleur are : 1) it is by nature illiterate (reading is useful, even just to learn new stuff), 2) vocabulary is very limited, 3) there is no general approach of the language so it will not facilitate the assimilation of new words and grammar you may encounter out of the method. So at some point, if you don't want to spend the rest of your life feeling like a 2-years old within other speakers, you may need something else. Here Rosetta Stone comes in a handy and will allow you to make some progresses with good structure, without having to go through deep explanations and boring grammar. That is the good point when you learn by example. To end this answer, here is my 2 cents about learning efficiency of language : always remember that what really matter is to understand. Depending on your personality or what you have to do, you may want to speed up the process and focus only on getting to speak out as quickly as possible. My personal experience is that when you don't understand people, it can get really frustrating. You need time to get a grasp on what is happening first, so don't throw yourself to quickly into learning to write or this kind of stuff. Accept the (sad) fact that you don't understand and everything will come in the right time. Listen, listen, listen. Read if you can. Talk to people, listen to them, look at them speaking, find out common topics for real discussion, learn vocabulary only to say something, not just to learn it (who cares about what lesson 3 said?). And most important of all : enjoy the language, its culture and its speakers ! Language is such a wonderful thing !
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I've used both for Spanish for Spanish and Italian. I wouldn't go as far as to say they are useless but I do not think you learn much for the amount of time you spend. I've talked to friends about it and this is what we feel. Rosetta Stone's strength is in its speaking activities that analyze your pronunciation. Pimsleur's strength is in learning sentences quickly. The problem with both is that you are not taught the skills to construct your own ideas. Rosetta Stone will give no instruction. Never. The goal is to learn by immersion. So there are just pictures, audio, and text. BUT no explanations for why things are. As a language teacher, I feel like that is a poor way of learning. Also learning through pictures, text, and audio just isn't efficient. You might need to see four or five slides just before you can figure out what it is showing and then many more views before you "learn" it. Pimsleur will get you speaking quick. It has a reading section but it is nothing more than working on pronunciation. The problem is you are not taught to think and build in the language. So the phrases you learn and the situations you learn them is all you know. If you're not in those narrow situations, you're lost. What I recommend is Michel Thomas. He uses an audio approach but unlike the others, really TEACHES you. He explains things and puts the responsibility of your learning on him. As opposed to Pimsleur's parroting and Rosetta Stone's pattern code cracking, Michel just says what the word is and explains how to use it. He teaches cognates and how to build foreign words from English. He teaches the tenses and grammar in a way that you retain it but it is not boring. It also lets you quickly speak in a way that you can build your ideas into sentences. I also recommend the programs on http://www.memrise.com/home/ it's a website that uses user created memes to illustrate all types of learning. It has some good sections for learning languages, some that can be helpful specific if you want to learn certain vocab. Although it's only for teaching Spanish or English Nulu- http://nulu.com is a great tool that teaches through translation, question/answer, social interaction ect all by using current news articles. It's only for Spanish, but I use the En Espanol line of books. I think there is a new line out but I don't know it's name. Also there are many helpful websites that teach cognates. Since English has influence from many different languages, cognates can help you learn very quickly. So depending on what you want to study, research the cognates online.
Chris Renneker
Thanks for the A2A. More effective for what kind of goal? If you just want to keep learning languages - may be they are both equally effective. Flashcards, learning how to tell "apple" from "orange" in your target language. The only problem is none of these helps you learn what people actually do in this language - speaking, understanding each other and writing. If your goal is to do just that - learn how to speak, understand others and write in the language you are learning - then, you will only start making progress when you throw away all these vocabulary flashcard games. Start speaking, listening to real-life language and write it every day.
Mikhail Kotykhov
Pimsleur is a very good course. Rosetta is a very good branded, marketed and promoted piece of ... Ok, lets say it is not so effective because: doesn't provide minimal grammar explanations; focused on learning words but not phrases; focused on learning "lexical" words rather than "functional"; just boring. Compare Pimsleur and Rosetta is like to compare bread and stone in case you hungry.
Yuriy Novikov
I have tried both, and both are probably just as capable in teaching a language. What made a difference for me is that the Pimsleur lessons are 1/2 hour and all audio, making it very convenient for a midday walk. That fact that it fits in my schedule is ultimately why I use it, and why it works for me.
Milo Grika
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