How will the new room allocation for freshers at IIT Madras affect its culture?
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UG (B.Tech/DD) freshers are allocated rooms in the PG(M.Tech) hostels and the PG freshers are allocated rooms in the UG hostels to limit their interaction with senior students on the pretext of dropping grades among the UG freshers. Not only the grades, it affects the social life of every fresher who comes in.
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Junior Senior interaction is an important part of the B.tech life especially at IIT, though I haven't been through it but I have seen through as a keen observer. Why IIT's are IIT? IIT's are IIT because of the students and these students are not just prepared by faculty members but by the seniors as well. What do you think that only professors teach and that makes the student of IIT successful, No a Big no A student spends more time in hostel with his UG classmates and his wing seniors, What would one UG classmate have to say about insti? Nothing. Who teaches, trains and tells about experiences are the seniors. A professor cannot tell you that how you can become a coord. A professor will not tell you that what are to do's and not to do's. I have learned a lot in my personal life and specially from my seniors and I have spent my last 7 years in College hostel in different places If the authority will argue that Students are having less grades because of senior students? Then tell me isn't IIT Madras more than 50 years old. During this whole time no body realised this key point and tried to change. Are the new members in decision making authority really talking relevant stuff. When they were in colleges themselves they also would have also experienced ragging and everybody does. A healthy ragging is essential to open up. You know something you get to know your UG classmates when you are being ragged. That team spirit, that joint effort of struggle against the seniors brings you together. What will happen if the allocations are done as OP has mentioned? First and foremost thing is Students will be ragged in second year and not in the first year. There are no rules which refrain students from doing that, and that will be worse. If authority says that they would have matured by then. Then I would like to ask what is the difference in the maturity level of 17 year old and 18 year old, I guess not much. Students get Familiar to the insti environment because of their interaction with the seniors in their same hostel, you can't expect them to mature while being with their classmates or with the other PG freshers. What you feel that this move is only going to affect UG, not at all PG will also be affected and even more as they get only one year to be with their seniors and after that they themselves will become senior. So in a nutshell you don't want them to know about their seniors experiences Students who participate in the socio cultural events won't be that accustomed to each other thus there will be surely many ego issues arising Students in first year are quiet high on their success in JEE, and they feel professors are nothing infront of the knowledge they have got. All of them are brought to ground level by the seniors. If this doesn't happen then you will not being good to freshers Now question will be asked why seniors are so worried about juniors and about living with them Dear sir, I as a student is not at all concerned because I will get chance to rag or few followers for me. What I am doing is following the IIT culture and just propagating it further. If I wont do it then who else will do. People who will come after me will curse me for not taking any action when such a policy was being enforced That is the level of maturity which I have got from my seniors, can you get the same fire from the students coming after me. With no interaction offcourse No Why you want only first year students to teach and preach all the above points, you will have some more time in rest 3 years you can tell them then? It is easy to teach a person who doesn't know anything, If you say let them learn on their own in first year and then make them unlearn and relearn the new practical things. That is not going to happen at all. How it affects IIT reputation? Such kind of moves are done by some private institutions where students of first year B.tech are different so as to prevent ragging. But does that pay off not at all you can ask them yourself Students from those institutes feel IIT Hostel system is the best teacher among all. Changing it isn't going to help. This is like when you have cancer of Liver and you are removing Kidney saying Kidney is related to functioning of liver. Is IIT competing with World class institutes or these Pvt institutes in India? What will be a better solution? Better solution according to me will be to do a deep down analysis about the real reasons behind poor performances of students and not put hostel life as one criminal and screw it up Disclaimer: Views expressed by me are exclusively mine and I don't like it. A nice piece on problem statement here http://t5e.iitm.ac.in/2013/07/room-allotment/
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The institute has been taking stringent steps to curb ragging/interactions in the hostels and this is one of them. According to me, the whole thing is outright stupid and would bring down the institute culture that each student residing at the hostels at IIT Madras takes pride in. Background: There are 15 hostels for the male residents out of which nearly 4 are PG hostels. The remaining being UG (undergraduate) hostels. For more background, read this article by the campus news body - The Fifth Estate : http://t5e.iitm.ac.in/2013/07/room-allotment/ which makes a very good unbiased analysis of the situation. The Story : The UG freshers every year are housed with UG seniors in UG hostels. There are innumerable intra- and inter-hostel events that are conducted throughout the year and all these events and happenings describe the institute's culture. The UG hostels are buzzing with enthusiasm all through the year. The freshers being new to the place meet seniors, interact and form bonds, and it often happens that the seniors whom the freshers interact with help them immensely in academic and non-academic issues, someone who can be there for them when they are down, and can assure them - "Been there, done that. Nothing to worry". The intra-hostel events are conducted as a preparation for the Inter-Hostel events - which include the Literary and Social Activities and events that happen (Lit-Soc), Technical activities and events (Tech Soc) and Schroeter (Sports - Inter hostel) - All of which have rolling trophies for them, and it is the freshers who participate in these events for the hostel, and a couple of seniors who do participate, and this drives into the students a sense of "hostel spirit" and the much talked about harmless inter-hostel rivalry. All this had been great fun for any fresher for an IIT-M, and gives the student a sense of "belonging" to the place which becomes their home. However, this is not the case with PG (postgraduate) hostels. The participation although open to all the hostels every year, has almost zero participation from the PG students in the events which are discussed above. Also, moving the UG freshers into the PG hostels means that there will be just 2 or 3 hostels where the UG freshers are moved into and the events will no longer make sense. Also, the biggest motivation for seniors in UG hostels to participate in events is because of the enthusiasm among the freshers and to continue the tradition of winning certain events for the past couple of years and continue doing so. The PG seniors tend to not interact much with people, because of their busy schedule. Unlike in UG hostels there would hardly be anyone who would go out of the way to help or talk to the freshers when need be. Also, if this is a move by the administration copying ideas from IIT-B and IIT-Kgp, it must be noted that ragging/interactions do exist in these colleges in the second year, since freshers are in separate hostels for the first year. So this defeats the purpose of separation. Also academics gets serious from the second year onwards, and people hardly come out of their hostel rooms once they get their laptops. This means that the whole sense of belonging to a certain hostel and taking part in the events for the hostel is lost. Also, this might create pressure in the UG freshers since the competition is very high and they would always be surrounded by their peers, limiting the extent of interaction with others. That said, there have been cases where very few students had been subjected to bad treatment during the interactions. But that is a minority. And the UG freshers in that case have every right to report the senior to the police, since the ragging laws in India have become strict. But it is sad that a majority of the population, this being the formative years in their lives would be having a not-so-good UG experience because of the administration's move. And like one of my friends posted on Facebook recently in relation with the IITM room allocation about the Admin trying to "parent" the freshers: However, the administration thinks that the students have a very short-sighted view with regards to the issue. As a matter of fact it can also happen that the pressure to perform well academically becomes so high that the students might succumb to the pressure. On the positive side, if all works fine, we might have a new culture that is developed in the institute, but it only seems less likely with the intrusion of the administration and if the administration goes on a spree curbing freedom, it might be very unlikely that the students might become mature individuals and build a good personality apart from excelling academically. It will create only more resentment towards the administration. Problems for the Hostel Secretaries : The hostel secretaries would be in for a rough time now. The secretaries of the PG hostels would be baffled with the number of UG first years who would be joining the hostel, as it takes more efforts to mentor so many students at once. The secretaries in the PG hostels would not have been prepared to take up such big responsibilities since they would not have been aware of the institute's new policies while they wrote their manifestos and stood for elections. Disclaimer : All views expressed here are personal. The word ragging here is used in a very loose sense, and does not mean "ragging" in terms of physical/mental/social abuse. I'll try to update the answer and add more points when I have more time. Thanks for the A2A!
Akhilesh Godi
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