What is so great about marriage and divorce?

What can one do to try and avoid a marriage with someone that will eventually end in divorce or a regretful marriage?

  • It's well known that the US has around a 50% divorce rate. I'm fearful to try and date and love when the ultimate result is more like a coin toss than something stable. Any insight?

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    When you stop attending violin lessons because your tastes changed and you don't want to spend so much time on it anymore, did your relationship with your violin "fail"? Is it sad and depressing and a waste of effort that you went to a gym for five years, if you decide to switch to a new gym closer to your work? If, after five years studying under a particular teacher, you've learned all you can and go out to find a new teacher; does that mean it would've been better to have never started learning from that teacher in the first place? Can you think of ANY OTHER relationship with an object or person in our lives, where if it doesn't last UNTIL WE DIE, we consider it a waste of time and a mistake from the beginning? As you have probably figured out, I really object to this notion we have in our society that a relationship that doesn't last 'forever' is a 'failed' relationship. All relationships change, because all people change. YOU CANNOT CONTROL whether those changes will support the relationship continuing, or necessitate a split. What you can do is not be so afraid of a relationship ending that you hang onto it long past the time when it's no longer a beneficial relationship for both parties. That's when people get really hurt and scarred, to the extent that they wish the relationship had never happened. My parents got married in '85, both in their mid-twenties. They loved each other very much and had a lot of fun together.  They raised three children in a happy and harmonious home. They supported each other through the severe injury and subsequent disability of one of their children. They loved each other, and they helped each other to become stronger people. And, as they got older, they developed new interests and passions and lifestyles. And one day, after about seven years of strife, they decided to get divorced. Their relationship didn't fail. The 15 good years of their marriage weren't wasted effort. My parents are both happier, stronger people for having known each other, and they both retain the happy memories of their lives together. The only thing I wish is that they had given up earlier, that they had recognized earlier that their relationship had become toxic, that they had admitted earlier that they didn't fit in each other's lives any longer. I wish that they hadn't wasted seven years making each other and everyone around them miserable before decided to move on with their livis. Don't go into dates asking "Is this the love of my life?" or "Is this ONE person in all the world whom I will be with forever?" Go into dates asking "Is this someone I can love, and support, and who can give me the love and support that I need right now?" And if you do decide that you want to have a wedding, treat it for what it is; an affirmation of the relationship you've already created, not a creation of a new state of being. Before you get married, talk with your intended about what you want out of marriage, what you think marriage means, and make plans for how the two of you will deal with the inevitable problems. Talk about your triggers, your expectations, your desires.  I'm going to go against everything that the movies and TV shows and Jared and de Beers have taught you about proposals: If your romantic partner is surprised when you propose, your relationship is in danger! Also talk about divorce. About when you think divorce is the best option, about what you would want to do before going there. Because ignoring a possible outcome is the best way to ensure it; and ensure that if and when it happens, it'll be as messy and painful and lingering as possible.

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If you are simply worried about the divorce aspect, then don't get married. It is an institution that has become largely obsolete. I see the rates of divorce as a reflection of a cultural shift or an evolution of our society rather than something strictly "negative" (not to diminish some aspects that certain are negative). I've looked at a lot of tribal cultures and noticed some parallels to various matrilineal societies. I come from a tribe that was traditionally matrilineal and the children were not even technically related to their biological father. The children belonged to the clan of their mother and their maternal relatives (e.g. uncles) or clan relatives were responsible for their upbringing. The biological father had no real authority over the children since he was from another clan and there was more of a communal environment anyway. There was no need for a stern father to be the ultimate arbitrator, authoritarian or the disciplinarian (as found in patriarchal traditions). If a woman wanted a "divorce" all she had to do was put the man's items outside the home. She owned the house and all the possessions in it except the man's immediate possessions. She was also solely responsible for the children. It was fairly common to have marriages come and go and you would stay with a partner as long as you were satisfied and it worked well for both sides. When it didn't, it didn't. And it was no big deal to move on. There were no nasty divorce lawyers, allegations in formal court, negative custody battles, bitterness, etc.. You simply moved on. Your biological kids would be taken care of, and you probably had young ones from your female clan relatives that you had to help raise as well. It was all interconnected. I see parallels in that children are no longer given just their father's names. There are a lot more hyphenated surnames and I've even seen where a new last name was adopted for the new family unit rather than perpetuate just the paternal lineage. Women have access to greater financial independence and children can be raised by either parent (female OR male), and also in extended family units. There is no longer a need to stay in a restrictive marriage out of convenience or a piece of paper as if it is a contract you are bound to. The negatives would probably be that people are more indulgent and less likely to compromise and get along with a partner these days. People have become a lot more demanding and less likely to put up with any traits they deem annoying. Back in the day, people lived with the hand they were dealt a lot more. I'm not sure if this answered your question or not, but my belief is that divorce is not always a negative anyway. A relationship needs to be worked on, but in some cases it is alright to move on a build new ones.

Sam Morningstar

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India L. J. Mitchell

First off, you are not a statistic. There are groups of people that have very low divorce rates. Some interesting reading http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm There are also things you can do to decrease your divorce rate. Here are some things that usually work. Wait to get married. The more adult and experienced you are when you get married, the better chance you have of understand and coping in an adult way. Whatever you expect of your chosen one, expect of yourself. Take responsibility, expect responsibility. Be mentally and emotionally stable, and choose someone that is the same Know yourself, know what you want, Communicate this to your chosen one (CO) Don't make excuses, when you see serious, consistent character issues, accept that this is who this person is, and realize they are not right for you.  eg. Your CO has had arrests, abuses drugs, alcohol or credit, abuses you, has trouble at work on a consistent basis. Or you realize they cannot keep a friend due to  whatever reason. Maybe you realize that they make a lot of excuses, but do nothing to change their behavior, or blame other's or you for their behavior. Don't make excuses or cover from them. Figure out if this truly is the right person for you. It's much easier to cut your losses now, than to go ahead with misgivings, and divorce. Do you fit into their family? Do they get along with your family? Many couples problems are exacerbated by in law problems. As a side note, do your friends like the CO? Do you like their friends? Are they the sort of people you would chose as friends? These long relationships will indicate what sort of person you are committing to, more indications of their character Develop a financial plan. Money is one of the biggest causes of divorce. Make a plan on how you will make your dreams come true, how you will handle your bills, how you will pay for your future, how you will pay for the wedding, the house, the car, whatever. Once you can discuss money, you will find it much easier to discuss other issues. Learn to fight fair http://www.foryourmarriage.org/25-ways-to-fight-fair/ Be kind and considerate to each other. Love is sometimes not enough.  You have to find ways to be nice to each other. If you have doubts, address them. Don't be in a rush, take the time to deal with problems before they escalate. There is an old saying "marry in haste, repent at leisure" Go on a holiday together. You learn so much about a person on a holiday, it can help sort out the truth of your relationship. Go for premarital counselling. There are good courses out there to help couples learn how to live together. They cover major areas of life stresses, and help couples to a greater understanding of what is needed to be successful together.

Gwen Sawchuk

One "avoids marring someone who will end in divorce" by A) being clear about what you want in a partner B) being clear about whether your intended has those qualities, C) being clear that both A & B apply the other way around, D) learning excellent relationship SKILLS <> "we LOVE each other...."  (Crabby old woman who doesn't believe in the power of love to carry you through here...) E) being a bit older than average, and F) studying the real statistics behind divorce, if that is an approach that works for you, to see what groups contribute overmuch to the 50%  (hint:  they are < 20 when they marry) and deciding whether you are one of those groups.

Karen Tiede

The only certain for sure way is not to get married.  Other than that, I suppose you should marry your S.O.  only after a long association so both of you know what you ear each getting into.  Of course, I am no one to talk.  I knew my bride for 6 months before we married. But I count myself lucky,  rather than wise.  We have been married 58 years. As I said that is pure luck and blessing.  Half the marriages end up on the rocks.

Robert J. Kolker

If you don't feel marriage is worth it, then don't marry. I personnally don't plan on doing that. But if you want to cross the whole idea and dating and having relationships just because there's a big chance it might end, then you might spare yourself some suffering, you'll also prevent yourself from great moments of happiness. It's not a good philosophy to live by, in my opinion. Most things come at an end, it doesn't mean they should never begin.

Alix Margnoux

I remember thinking this very same question when I was a young man in my late teens about to start my first relationship. I knew many friends whose parent's were divorced. I was determined not be end up there. Fast forward 20 years and I'm divorced. The reality is you can't predict the outcome. No one goes into a long-term committed relationship to expecting to divorce. Does this mean you shouldn't do it? Absolutely not. I sometimes wondered if I knew that my relationship would end in divorce 20 years later, would I do it again? The answer is yes. Without it, I wouldn't have the experiences; my children; the friends; the  memories; the highs and lows of an intimate, monogamous, exclusive relationship. These experiences shaped who I am today; I wouldn't trade them for anything. Relationships are equal parts calculated risk and a leap of faith. We can increase the chance of long-term success by choosing partners who share values we hold important; and letting go of the small stuff that aren't deal breakers. Despite all the marriage advice, there are no secrets to relationship success. What rules works for one may not work for another. The only (for lack of a better term) thing I've found to be true is this: For a long-term relationship to work, two people just have to want to be together. They'll work hard at it. Everyday. That's it. Keep in mind: all (good) things come to an end—whether by death, choice or otherwise. Sometimes you change. Sometimes the other person changes. No one can predict it. People grow. Hopefully you grow together. Sometimes you grow apart. You can't control that. These things just happen. At the end of my marriage, these words of provided me much-needed comfort and perspective, "Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened."

Anonymous

You can compare it to driving a car.  You can reduce but not eliminate the chances of a bad outcome.  Don't expect that marrying someone will lead to changes in the person that you desire.  A person who disrespects others when they think they can get away with it is probably going to disrespect you when they think they can get away with it.  Someone should have at least a 3 year track record of being in a committed relationship before getting married.  If the 3 years weren't with you, make sure you understand why their past relationships ended, with lots of detail.

Walt Karas

Do not marry until the intoxication of "falling in love" wears off and you can then see each other clearly. Usually this takes about two years. At that point, people can then begin the clearheaded discussions about lifestyle choices, values, goals and plans. Being clearheaded over time allows both of you to see one another, clearly -- warts and all. Then and only then, decide whether this someone is The One with whom you wish to spend  the rest of your life.

Nan Waldman

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