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How is the Equal Money System the same and how is it different from Communism and Marxism?

  • It seems some of the core tenets are very similar to a generic branding of Communism and Marxism. Perhaps this is an unfair view, but to an outsider, the things I read about it remind me of these systems. Can someone explain this to me? From Wikipedia... Communism (from Latin communis - common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order. Marxist theory holds that pure communism or full communism is a specific stage of historical development that inevitably emerges from the development of the productive forces that leads to a superabundance of material wealth, allowing for distribution based on need and social relations based on freely associated individuals.[5][6] The exact definition of communism varies, and it is often mistakenly, in general political discourse, used interchangeably with socialism; however, Marxist theory contends that socialism is just a transitional stage on the road to communism. Leninism adds to Marxism the notion of a vanguard party to lead the proletarian revolution and to secure all political power after the revolution for the working class, for the development of universal class consciousness and worker participation, in a transitional stage between capitalism and communism. Marxism is an economic and sociopolitical worldview and method of socioeconomic inquiry based upon a materialist interpretation of historical development, a dialectical view of social change, and an analysis of class-relations within society and their application in the analysis and critique of the development of capitalism. In the mid-to-late 19th century, the intellectual development of Marxism was pioneered by two German philosophers, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. Marxist analyses and methodologies have influenced multiple political ideologies and social movements throughout history. Marxism encompasses an economic theory, a sociological theory, a philosophical method and a revolutionary view of social change. There is no one definitive Marxist theory; Marxist analysis has been applied to a variety of different subjects and has been modified during the course of its development, resulting in multiple and sometimes contradictory theories that fall under the rubric of Marxism or Marxian analysis. Because they do not have a Wikipedia entry this comes from their site... (Spelling/grammar errors as found) The Equal Money System is an new innovative economic and monetary system, unprecedented in human history for several reasons: The Equal Money System does not lean on the understandings and concepts of economics and money, as it is currently or has been historically implemented in the world. In essence, the Equal Money System, operates and functions in all facets of society on the principle of equality. The role of money is relegated to support the organisation of the system, there is no currency in an Equal Money System. Money is used to facilitate allocation and distribution of resources and goods. It remains in digital form and has not paper equivalent. From this standpoint, the Equal Money System emphasizes dignity and respect for all living beings on the planet, in order to establish living dynamics that are best for all, creating a "heaven on earth for all". The Equal Money System includes everyone in the system, without exception. It is considered everyone's birth right to be assisted and supported to live a dignified life, wherein they are taken care of and supported as an equal to all that is here, as an integral part of and as existence. The Equal Money System puts the earth and all living beings ahead of everything else, where life is taken care of and honoured. this is exemplified through the unconditionally guaranteed provision of an equal amount of money for all members of the human race. All living beings needs are taken care of through the process of giving that which you would like to receive. Practically this implies that all structures that are placed into effect are structured for the benefit of all its recipients ensuring that the consequences of production and use are beneficial to the environment as well as its users. Human beings needs are thus provided for holistically by the structures that are set in place from birth till death. At all times, money will cover the costs of each individual's basic needs from birth to death. In this context, animals, plants and the environment are equally considered and cared for.

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I am more knowledgeable about Marxism than the Equal Money System. The idea that we produce things collectively and share what we produce equally is not new. It is the basis of Christian communities like monasteries, Jewish Kibbutz and Collectivism. The vision of both philosophies is fairly similar. Marxists want a world where the people decide what to produce and that things are distributed "from each according to his abilities to each according to his needs". Both emphasise democracy and equality. The differences lie in the view of the world. Marxists really believe the world system is rotten and needs an overthrow (revolution) of the world order.  The Equal Money System makes no mention of class struggle or revolution. It focuses on self-change as a way of changing society. The Equal Money System has a much greater emphasis on technology. It does propose limits on what can be democratically decided and favours technocrats (experts who can run things). The Equal Money System appears to be more pragmatic and taking the idea of using what works. Marxism has been around a lot longer and is more fixed. I would say the EMS is closer to the Christian ideals of the Diggers, who believed that all the world was created by God and should be shared equally amongst God's children. Versions of this idea lasted for around 1000 years in Northern Europe, with the Viking Strip system. The idea that people working together rather than competing and removing the duplication and waste of the current system will enable us to build a better world is a common goal to both.

Joe Geronimo Martinez

Few simple point to make here. It seems strange to me to focus on the word 'Utopia' when the goal of an EMS is to firstly ensure ALL have enough-what they need-as in basic requirements to sustain life, as a human right. If you had/have children is this not the least you would want for them, let alone for yourself? All the talk about this system and that system, from the past, to me is irrelevant-they are words from the past-we are talking about investigating what is here and keep what is good and changing the rest so all are given a decent life/existence. Later, we can concern ourselves with more/extra/'wants'. It just seems crazy to me to focus on that one word when millions/billions(?) do not have enough clean water/food/safe shelter today.  Also, if I concern myself with just my fear that something will be taken away, I cannot 'see' my neighbour as myself/anyone else and am consumed with protecting just my little world/my family. So I am  then controlled by these emotions of greed/fear and I live them as myself. This clearly has not worked throughout history.

Sandy Jones

The Equal Money System is socialism. It is basic redistribution of wealth exactly as Marx described. However, as pointed out in his answer, The Equal Money System authors have a very poor understanding of economics. For starters they have omitted responsibility from the equation. In order for there to be resources to distribute, there must be production. What is your motivation for production? If everything is provided for you, why work. Why not just sit back and enjoy the resource provided without contributing? Marx understood this issue and dealt with it at length. The Equal Money System however says "The motivation to perform ... will come from the understanding that: that which one gives, one will receive." A very naive statement. They have ignored the basic human behaviours. People are greedy, lazy and frequently immoral. They are quite happy to receive more than their fair share of the pie without contributing. While some people will contribute more than their requirement, most people will consume an excess. Some examples of The Equal Money System nonsense. From their website: The only country where the unemployment rate is 0.00 – or in other words, where everyone is employed – is Monaco. Considering that Monaco is a city-state with an area of 1.98 km2, it is a fact that bears little or no significance. In every other country in the world – there are people who are unemployed, with unemployment ranging from 0.5 to 97% of the population. One must remember that the numbers in the above table refer to actual human beings who are willing to work, who are able to work, but for whom jobs are not available. Without access to the labor market, they have no access to money and thus, no means with which to acquire the resource they need to sustain themselves. This places human beings in a position where crime is the only viable option through which to survive in this world – affecting in turn the livelihoods of all members of society. For starters they have ignored the fact that 100% employment is not full employment. A country may be in full employment when there are still unemployed people. This is called structural unemployment. For example, if I have a contract for a years work ending in March and my next contract starts in May, I will be unemployed for one month in between. They have also ignored underemployment. That is where someone has a job but one that is less than what they are capable of. Perhaps a part time job when they want a full time job or perhaps the are a university graduate but are working at McD's flipping burgers. Then the final line in the quote paragraph suggests that unemployed people are forced to resort to crime to fund there lives. Blatantly and demonstrably untrue. Aside from government assistance, people who are temporary unemployed can make use of their own savings plus friends and families. Unemployment is not poverty. Long term unemployment might result in poverty but short term unemployment is a natural part of many people's life's for which they plan.

Derek Harkness

Quick summary of what's to come: Marxism is a prediction of a violent overthrow of the current socio-economic order leading to utopia, Equal Money is advocacy of a peaceful transition into utopia. And also, Marxism was formulated by someone whose impact on economics and historiography is still felt, Equal Money can't even get a Wikipedia page. At the time of the writing of the Communist Manifesto, capitalism was a truly foul system to be at the bottom of. It's still not great by any stretch of the imagination, but at least at this point in time, the people at the bottom (at least in the US) have some recourse if the people at the top start getting really nasty about things - there's universal suffrage and labor unions, to name two quick examples. This wasn't really true when Marx and Engels wrote the Communist Manifesto, and in many ways, the system didn't seem very different from the "Lords and Serfs" model that feudalism had stipulated or the "Master and Slave" model that had preceded feudalism - except that the concept of noblesse oblige was gone. The class struggle - the opposition between the haves and the have nots due to opposing interests - had heated up. Marx therefore predicted that the working class would rise up in a violent revolution and overthrow the existing capitalist social order. He predicted that capitalism would be replaced with a worker's paradise. Capitalism, as he saw it, was the inevitable final state of societal evolution prior to the revolution. This didn't happen in most places - indeed, in the truly industrialized societies where Marx predicted the revolutions would happen first, they didn't happen successfully at all. This is because the haves started negotiating with the have nots, frequently at the insistence of governments. You go from having these bloody worker-capitalist conflicts such as the Pullman Riots to peaceable contract negotiations between factory owners and unions. Marx's prediction therefore was, depending on how you look at it, wrong, incomplete or premature. That said, there were many people who came after Marx who said "gee, the end results of this communist revolution sure look nice, but this bloody revolution bit doesn't sound palatable." The most famous advocates of "change the system to a Marxist one from within the current system" were the Fabianists. They named themselves after a Roman general whose strategy for fighting the Carthaginian general Hannibal was to keep withdrawing and force Hannibal to tire himself out. The Fabian Society was created in 1884, which just goes to show how old the concept of "Marxism without revolution" is. The Equal Money System's wiki claims that the big difference between it and Marxism is that "communism is based upon the belief that the injustice and inequality of the world is solely based upon a specific class in society as the capitalist – as those that employ a working force – Equal Money is on the other hand based upon the realization that we’re all responsible for the mess that is here..." This is a misreading of Marx. The engine of evil in Marxism is not the upper class, but the class struggle. The problem isn't that there are people who have stuff, but that their interests are opposed to people who don't and the resulting conflicts cause instability and problems. Here's where I start getting a little mean, but frankly, it's earned. Every source I could find on the Equal Money System seemed to spurn Marx. The sources all seemed to realize that various parties had tried Marxism or some variant thereof, and that those governments had been mostly relegated to the scrap heap of history or had abandoned Marxism, and so, were most adamantly advocating against Marxism. But here's the thing: you might not agree with Marx, but you cannot deny that he was a very, very clever man who did his homework. Das Kapital and The Communist Manifesto, his two most famous works (let's also give credit to Friedrich Engels for the latter) are filled with data and rigorous analysis of how capitalism works. Many of his theories are still widely accepted today, albeit not without controversy (e.g. his theory of history and his law of value) The Equal Money System's documents, on the other hand, are filled with wet-behind-the-ears assertions that are backed up by numbers ripped from Wikipedia when they are attempting to be academically rigorous and, far more often, by hippie-drippy claptrap when they are trying to be convincing. And if you're going to be as dismissive of Marxism as the Equal Money System people invariably are, it usually helps to 1) make an effort to understand it first and 2) copy-edit your work. I mean, say what you like about the tenets of Marxism, at least its founding documents were copy-edited.

Harold Kingsberg

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