How many hours per week do people in the science, technology, and engineering fields work?
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I'm interested in knowing more about how much people in STEM (including software engineers) work around different parts of the world - specifically USA, Canada and Western Europe. I expect there is a large degree of variability, so I would appreciate specific examples. Please specify your location (country) and specifics if possible. Pretty much any kind of information that paints a realistic picture of a daily life. Grad students' comments are also welcome. Long version What kind of schedules do those of you who work in scientific research (either in academia or industry) and technology/engineering have? How does your typical day look? I often get the impression (from various web sources) that - especially in the US - people are expected to clock 10+ hours of work a day as a norm and pretty much live for their career. How accurate is this idea and what are the main variables affecting it (academia vs industry, non-profits, highly competitive research environments etc.)? Some questions in no particular order, to demonstrate what kind of info I'd be grateful for: what time do you typically get into office, what time do you leave? how often are you expected to work overtime and/or weekends? do you get any paid leave that you can use? How much? What about unpaid leave? Can you, say, decide to go travelling for 2-3 weeks in the summer (either paid or unpaid)? If you get sick, what happens? I assume most people have some kind of insurance, but let's say you catch pneumonia, can't go to work for 2 weeks and have to spend some time in the hospital. What happens? Do you feel you have enough room to grow as a person outside the boundaries of your career? Do you have time to pursue your hobbies (be it rock climbing or reading literature, or roughly following another academic field you're interested in), socialize, spend time with family, get educated about things that are not related to your work etc. In other words, do you feel like a relatively free human being who can pursue secondary interests that do not necessarily lead to career success or monetary gain? I'm aware some of these questions are very broad, but any insight is appreciated.
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I'm a sixth year grad student in physical chemistry in the US, so I've been in contact with the academic side of STEM work for awhile. Academic work is often very flexible, but it tends to be demanding. I work on average something like 50 hours per week but with large variability. There have been lulls where various other things (for instance, job searching lately) have taken a lot of time and I was working only 20-30 hours a week. I have also worked 90-hour weeks here and there when there was a big push to, e.g., produce figures for a boss's conference talk or ship a grant proposal. On campus, I often get errands done in the morning and thus don't come in until late (10 or 11 am) but am often working until 7-9 pm. I eat lunch at my desk almost without exception. This schedule, usually with a shift to earlier hours (9-6 is most typical), is typical of a grad student or postdoc in my lab. On Wednesdays, I work a square 8:30 am - 5 pm day at a national lab with 45 minutes off for lunch but with a long commute on a shuttle service. I currently try to take weekends completely. It can vary a lot. In my old lab, the pressure was higher, and 50 hours a week was at the low end of the envelope. More typical was 60-70 hours a week, including at least one weekend day per week. My abusive boss would sometimes go around and harass everyone if he thought we weren't putting in enough hours, e.g. if he came in one night at 11 pm and found the lab empty or similarly if he came in some morning at 8 am and found the place similarly deserted. He'd also pressure us to work at the transmission electron microscope between 10 pm and 4 am because that was when it was billed at the lowest rates. My labmates put in quite a few hours on the TEM in the wee hours. I put some in too. I've heard of labs, particularly in labor-intensive fields like organic chemistry, electrical engineering, and applied physics, that keep regular, brutal hours. 8 am until late evening, Sunday through Friday, were the official hours of one organic synthesis lab I know of. That's over 70 hours a week of required face time. One of my current bosses, a tenured professor, comes in very late, often past noon, to avoid traffic on his very long commute. But he often works until 11 pm or midnight and will get into email conversations over weekends. My other boss, at the national lab, comes in around 9 am and works until after I leave on the shuttle, around 5-6 pm I think. But he works very, very quickly. He can hack out a Fortran physics code in about a tenth of the time it takes me, though my code quality is a lot higher. My dad is toward the end of his career as an R&D engineer/simulation developer in the oil and gas sector. Back when he was still employed full-time, he worked typically 10-7, Monday through Friday. These hours, as a Ph.D. corporate STEM person, always struck me as rather nicer than my mom's non-STEM corporate hours. Her days typically started at 8 am and often would still go into the evening. In the US, workers typically get 2-3 weeks off per year (almost uniformly 2 weeks for junior private sector people). Grad students can often get away taking significantly more vacation, say 4-5 weeks, especially since visa issues (e.g. for Chinese students, who can get stuck out of country for over a month at a time) skew the expectations. As a long sleeper and lover of tranquil routines and hobbies, I limit myself to two weeks per year to try and offset a slightly more leisurely routine. Also, it helps your boss feel more understanding when you do need extra time off. I shattered my shoulder socket this past summer, requiring major surgery to correct, and was pretty useless for at least 3-4 weeks afterwards. While my bosses got a bit impatient, they did give me enough leeway to heal and get back up to speed. Hobbies are what you make of your free time. There are all sorts of things that I love doing and have meaningfully engaged with - playing violin in an orchestra, birdwatching, building bicycles, long bike rides, home improvement, the list goes on. Even in my old lab. You just can't do it all at the same time. It is only in the most grindingly slavedriving STEM jobs that you literally won't be able to do things to thrive as a person. But social activity, family time, and hobby time will all compete for your hours off, and you'll have to prioritize. It can be a good life. Hope this helps.
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I work at what you'd call academic level for a Dutch (Netherlands) government agency. Not academia per se, but I'll try to answer your questions nevertheless. what time do you typically get into office, what time do you leave? I work 32 hours from monday to friday which more or less translates to working from 10 in the morning to 16:30 from monday to friday. If work/meetings requests so, I shuffle about a little but seldom more than an hour in either direction. Most typical workers at my office work 36 hrs. per week though, which confirms to 'full time' in our contracts. how often are you expected to work overtime and/or weekends? Maybe once a year for a day in the weekend or a few times per year for evening hours. Results vary though within our rather large workforce. But never on a regular basis and we always receive some form of reasonable compensation. do you get any paid leave that you can use? How much? What about unpaid leave? Can you, say, decide to go travelling for 2-3 weeks in the summer (either paid or unpaid)? My paid leave amounts to about 5 weeks per year (about 150-160 work hours equivalent). I can take unpaid leave as well and we have an option to take an unpaid sabbatical every ten years or so. There are conditions for certain specific types of paid leave like maternal leave or when you need to attend a funeral. If you get sick, what happens? Do you stay at home and don't get paid at all until you return? Do you need to pay for pretty much every healthcare service yourself? I assume most people have some kind of insurance, but let's say you catch pneumonia, can't go to work for 2 weeks and have to spend some time in the hospital. What happens? If we get sick we get paid our regular salary for up to a year (I think, might be longer) and after that we are eligible for ziektewet (70% of last pay for at least 2 years). After that there's a government program (WIA) which lasts for a few more years at maximum and ensures an income and a guided attempt at re-integration. I'm not sure as to the specifics though. If all else fails we have a severity clause in our collective employment agreement which ensures we can't 'just be fired' if we suffer from some kind of progressive disease. If we suffer from something serious temporarily (either physical or psychological) and can get back to work, we have a company program (which is compulsory to install by law for a Dutch employer) to re-integrate into normal working hours. All in all such a program can take up to a year or more. We receive a normal salary during this period. Do you feel you have enough room to grow as a person outside the boundaries of your career? Do you have time to pursue your hobbies (be it rock climbing or reading literature, or roughly following another academic field you're interested in), socialize, spend time with family, get educated about things that are not related to your work etc. In other words, do you feel like a relatively free human being who can pursue secondary interests that do not necessarily lead to career success or monetary gain? Yes. I'm clearly given the time to develop and be happy and my organisation monitors my personal growth and ambition. If I want/need some more academic education, my employer will even pay part of it either by allotting me time or by a substantial contribution to the tuition fee. If I aspire a management position - or any other position for that matter - my employer will offer me a professional assessment and help me get there. Within or even outside our organisation. The fact I 'only' work 'part time' doesn't really make a lot of difference here. When talking about pay though, this job won't make me 'rich'. I receive a very decent pay and very good secondary stuff (health care, pension, the things I mention above) but I'll probably have to work until I'm about 70 years old considering my mortgage and other responsibilities I'm willing to take on in the coming years (kids). On the other hand I am completely free to quit my job whenever I want and - say - start my own business in just about whatever profession I want (except for those with some protected register like physicians or lawyers have) and have a reasonable chance to succeed. We - the Netherlands - are after all not a socialist economy/society. :) I'm aware some of these questions are very broad, but any insight is appreciated. I'm aware my answer is very specific. But most of my experience can be extrapolated to most of the workforce in the Netherlands and countries around us simply because the employment system is governed by laws/legislation/contracts that ensure this or a similar level of security. Also keep in mind that we do have to perform. Dutch general workforce productivity is top tier (maybe part of this is caused by our systemic security?). And if I don't make the best of my work, I will be held accountable and eventually lose my job.
Jules Stoop
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