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A Job Offer with a Fee?

  • I just received a job offer yesterday at the place of business that I temp at. It requires that I stay there for at least one year, or else I must pay a fee. I like the thought of having full-time work with benefits and am very thankful, but I don't feel that I fit in the city I'm in currently and didn't see myself staying for another year. But I have to be careful about any risks I take with leaving my job because I don't have a family (as they were abusive) or anyone to rely on financially should things go south. Is this a good deal? Should I take this job? Hi Mefites, I come once again to the Green in search of your wisdom and advice. I have been temping for 6 months and received a job offer yesterday at Company X. I am having mixed feelings and have to decide by 5 pm tomorrow what to do. Let me try to lay out as much info as I can. To give some background: -I was told by the temp agency that I needed to temp for 3 months and then would be given an offer. 3 months came and no offer. I called and the agency said I was close but needed a few more hours. A month passed and people were wondering why I wasn't hired yet, as they were positive to me working there. This went back and forth- me calling the agency and talking to HR/ my boss, wondering when an offer would be made. Finally 2 weeks ago, I hear from my boss that I now need 6 months instead of 3, which perplexed my boss as well. They (the temp agency/HR) retroactively changed that without discussing with me. And, apparently, no one else who was temp-to-hire had to wait that long. So 6 months came and they made me an offer. So, about the offer: -The offer itself includes a slight pay raise & benefits, including good insurance and 401k. According to my boss, I impressed the higher ups and they were fighting over who I report to. I remembered that and asked for a slightly higher rate, so I'll hear back soon what they decide since they know I have to accept/decline soon. -My difficulty with the offer is that Company X requires that I stay for one year, or else pay a repayment fee to the Company for hiring me from the temp agency. I talked to HR yesterday and they said it is non-negotiable. They said they require that of everyone they hire from temp agencies. My repayment fee (again, if I leave before one year) is $3,000, or $250 per month for 12 months. The longer I stay, the less I would pay if I left. For example, if I left after 6 months, I would pay $1500. It decreases by $250 a month. Is this a good deal? I've never heard of this before. I don't want to pay anything in this fashion- it seems like it's just money they're taking from me if I leave. After a year the fee is paid and I could leave with no fee. -My problem with staying for a year is that I've been having a hard time fitting in Seattle. Since I came, I didn't think it was the best fit for me personally. I miss Chicago and New York a lot- the faster pace, good transit, more people and diversity. I have met some wonderful people here (including Mefites!) who seem to be true progressives, which has made my time here that much richer and made me feel more welcome after some racism here. But ultimately I'm not sure it's the right city for me. I saw myself leaving in Spring to go to New York. -But my other difficulty is that I need to be careful about any big financial decisions I make. I don't have a family to fall back on if I should run out of money, as they were abusive and I cut off ties with them. But I do have good savings. -If I do take the job and stay for a year and then move to New York, I would be almost 28. Is 28 too old to start over in New York? I guess I feel like I have less of my 20s left to find my way and wonder how socially acceptable that would be as I approach my 30s. -I wonder if it would reflect poorly on me to future employers in New York if I were to leave a full-time job after a year, compared to leaving a temp job. Would that actually look worse? -If I were to decline the offer, I don't doubt that Company X would bring in someone else (perhaps the next day) and have me train them. HR said this to me when I asked what would happen if I hypothetically turned it down. That would probably last a week at most to stay on and train the next person and then I would have to get another job. I don't have another job lined up, so I would have to find something else really quickly if I wanted to go that route of quitting there and finding another job that doesn't have that time requirement so I can leave when I'm ready without paying a fee. So, I think that lays out all sides of it. My heart sinks at the thought of putting off New York for another year. But it feels secure to have a job so I can save and prepare more for my move. And maybe if I gave Seattle more time I could find more people here who I get along well with. But I worry about putting off my hopes. I am very conflicted about what to do. Do you have any thoughts about the offer, kind Mefites? Any help is much appreciated.

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    Temp agencies have clauses in their contracts that require their clients to pay them if they hire away a temp employee. So the company wanting to be sure you will stick around and wanting to be made whole if you don't is not unusual. It's the way it works in the temp world. Whether or not they will really try to collect is an open question. Are you sure that its something specific to Seattle that is driving your malaise about being there? At a certain level, a big city is a big city. Before moving across country again it might behoove you to make sure that the problem really is Seattle, and not something that will follow you to NY.

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Take the job. A year goes very quickly, if you decide to stay the full year. And 28 is not too old to start over in NYC.

computech_apolloniajames

I would say take the job. Every month, do your damnedest to sock that $250/month away in a savings account. Think of it as your Fuck You money; the money you need to escape the indentured servitude they've got you locked into. At six months, you can walk away clear, if it's a really terrible place, and six months is nothing; in the meantime, you'll have bought yourself enough time to really make a plan for how to get to New York if you want to. At the end of the year, if you stick around, you'll have a $3000 nest egg, and a lot more freedom. You'll be able to move wherever you want (or take a better job in Seattle) and you won't even be thirty yet!

pretentious illiterate

Let's commit to staying in Seattle for 1 year. I don't think you'll regret that. You have a job you like and you're settling in. You have housing, you're making friends, etc. New York will be there in January 2015 too. How great is it that you have a permanant job with bennies! You haven't made Seattle your home yet. I suggest that you give it a try. Sign a year lease, take that job for a year and really set your mind to making it work where you are. One year down the road, you'll be in a MUCH better position to move to New York, if you even still want to do that! In that year, take a vacation to New York, with an eye towards moving there. You had some great experiences previously, but living and working in a new place is a "hole nother" thing entirely. It's funny, but you may have conflated the experience you had on vacation in New York into something that is impossible to live up to as a resident of New York. Bloom where you're planted. As for the legality of the "pay back the recruiting fee" that's out of my wheelhouse, so you may want to investigate that.

Ruthless Bunny

I moved to NYC to start over when I was 27, left after a few years, and moved back when I was 34. I felt old both times, but the ticking clock was only in my head. Here's why: no one actually knows how old I am until I tell them. (And I look a bit younger than I am, so people are usually surprised when they find out my true age.) You're only too old to start over at 28 if you think you are. You may want to think a little more about why you think people will look askance at you being 28, and who those people are, and if there's a way to mitigate it. For instance, are you worried potential employers will think you're unaccomplished for your age? Worried that everyone in your age bracket will be partnered with children? Etc. The other thing to consider is that the trappings of an adult life in NYC are not necessarily the same as those in other cities. For instance, many people here have roommates well into their 30s and 40s out of financial necessity. Plenty of people put off having kids because it's expensive, or they don't have room. Others have pets instead of children. For every person in a high-paying, high-powered career, there's someone that same age (often with the same education!) who's a receptionist or a server and doing something creative on the side. There are many reasons to move to NYC, and many reasons not to, but at 28, your age shouldn't be one of them. P.S. Take the job.

serialcomma

Call the Washington State Department of Labor and Industries http://www.lni.wa.gov/Main/ContactInfo/WorkplaceRights/default.asp to find out if this is legal or enforceable. If you refuse to pay in the end, you might expect that you aren't going to get a good reference. I don't think this sort of indentured servitude is a great way to treat your employees in general though and it doesn't give me a good feeling. If there were another job available I would take that but you can decide whether this is better or worse.

grouse

Dear Mefites, Thank you so much for all of your advice and support. I can't say how much I appreciate you all taking the time to really read my question and give such helpful answers. :) I was thinking long and hard today, reading everyone's responses and looking at my goals, and I'm thinking about taking the job and just eating the fee with my savings if I am ready to leave before the year is up. Breakin' the Law is right, the minute I quit, I don't have any money coming in, and I remember how hard it was for me to even find this temp job. And, chances are I'll spend around $3,000 until I find another job. I can use this time to really put my head down and research New York so that when that day comes, I can hit the ground running. I did contact the Employment Standards Office and haven't heard back (but left a message), so I am curious as to what the law is. And I talked with HR (at Company X) and they said that the repayment fee is for voluntary termination only, and in the case of emergencies, they would be open to discuss it before requiring payment. That leads me to believe that perhaps it can be negotiable down the road if I pay my dues and am tactful. And I have some good news- I got a raise from the initial offer. So, I am going to do the practical thing for now and rely on my savings to eat the fee (if it's under a year) once I'm ready and prepared. I'll probably be back on here asking questions about New York. Thanks so much, everyone, for your help. It really goes a long way. :) Take care.

independence under the radar

Oh, I remember you from your previous questions! It's great that you got an offer like this, even if it's a little odd. My recommendation would be to take it. I say this as a person who currently lives in NYC. If you spend another year there (and you'll be able to put it down as 16 months on your resume, which isn't a terrible tenure for a job in your 20s), you'll be moving to New York with more savings, more experience in an office environment, and more experience just making it work in a big city. Believe me when I say it's hard to find your people here, too- I'm only just starting to, really, and I'm on year three here! I agree with others above who say it sounds like you haven't really committed to the idea of Seattle. No city is going to be perfect, and it would be good practice to really commit to discovering what you love about the place, just for a year.

showbiz_liz

I've done a "fee for leaving before a year" gig before. It's common in entry-level-ish jobs, especially ones where people are liable to work for a few months, decide "I can do better than this!" and flee the coop. There's really no reason not to take it... you can do a year of ANYTHING, and this will be better than, say, a year of jail, or a year of Siberia.

julthumbscrew

I'm a little confused here: the HR department you've been talking to --- is that the temp agency HR department, or the full-time job's HR? But either way, this all sounds kind of shady to me, everything from the way the temp agency has been leading you on and changing the rules mid-stream to this repayment fee business. If I was you, I'd not only pass on the repayment-fee job but also leave this particular temp agency entirely. Re: your temp agency boss being perplexed by things like the agency's 3 months/6 months rule change: remember, he works for the temp agency, not for you --- frankly, this guy sounds more like a sleezy bait & switch used car salesman than an honest employer.

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