Hope me with Housing in NoVa? Renting. Buying.
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Should I get a mortgage even if all the house I can afford right now in the Northern Virginia (NoVa) area is $120k to $150k (according to two different calculators)? My situation at home is a bit precarious right now so I want to explore my housing options now that I sort of kind of have the means to do so. ...But do I really have the means to do so? Hope me please!! For a bit of background, I'm female, 24, and I have never lived by myself. Ever. And I'm a little freaked out by it, so of course, I have no idea what to expect with the financial implications. But I definitely get the general sense that it's expensive around here in the NoVa area. It seems like most of my peers are renting around $1300 at the low end and $1900 at the high end (without counting utilities). I know this can be offset by living with roommates in a house/apartment but for reasons I'd rather not go into, that isn't an option for me. I also can't live with my boyfriend either (at least not right now) since he makes about a 1/3 of what I make after taxes and wouldn't be able to pay rent. He lives at home currently and his parents are definitely cool with it. And no, I wouldn't dream of living with him and his parents, too awkward!. So it would be just me, myself, and I. Financials: - Each month I make $3k after taxes and $2.4k after my 401k contributions. My salary is $56k but it doesn't feel like it goes too far. - My parents probably would be to provide $10k+ towards a downpayment. - Student loans have been aggressively slashed down to $7k and minimum monthly is $80. - No credit card debt - Free credit score from AmEx guesstimates it at 740. Hopefully it's actually much higher. - Not currently paying for cell phone but it would be $60. - Not currently paying for car insurance and have no idea what it would be. - Have taken care of my own medical expense for years. - Current expenses for gas and groceries are $120 and $100 respectively. Can be adjusted once that dang Silver Line opens (work can pay for public transport). Other considerations: - Currently work in Herndon, Va. There are offices in DC of course and I could be transferred or find another job there/all over NoVa. - Currently living in Arlington near East/West Falls Church (grew up here and I still get them confused). - Not qualified for anything (vet, public service worker, disabled, etc.) - I am not very adventurous or nomadic. At all. In the slightest. I prefer to be plopped down and for my roots to grow deep. - If money were no issue I'd buy the nicest craftsman style house in the City of Falls Church. - I have lived in apartments before...and I actually enjoyed it. - I don't have to live in the lap of luxury. Just safety and a reasonably nice little nest. - I could probably be described as very frugal, especially by my peers. - I could entertain the possibility of living in a condo/townhome while raising any future kid(s). So can my boyfriend. - Most likely will marry said bf in the next few years, we've discussed things. I am ok with the money he is making now. And the money I am making now. He thinks we will earn significantly more in the future. For me, I have the potential to make up to 80-90k if I keep it up in my career (next 4-5 years maybe?). Would most likely aim for above 100k though to support us in the future if we have kid(s). - He is also similarly attached to this area (NoVa) as I am through family and friends. - No repair or handy(wo)man skills. Could learn the reasonable stuff though (open to it anyway). - Read Mr. Money Mustache and a few other early retirement and PF blogs. But I cater it to my own personal situation, I don't follow mindlessly (and no I don't think anyone else does either, just saying). So..whats your advice? I need some perspective from more experienced folks and I would love to hear from those who transitioned from living with the parents to buying and from living with the parents to renting, especially in a big and expensive housing area. I have heard the sentiment that you don't own the house, the house owns you and well, that's a little terrifying tbh. But I still want that option on the table to explore. Is it a pipedream? Can you even buy a place to live around here for between $120-150k? What would be some concrete next steps? Are there even realtors who want to sell homes that cheap around here?? I've looked at low income rentals for Arlington and it's still around $1200-$1400 and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't qualify as low income. I feel so frustrated, hopeless and really overwhelmed. Please hope me! Throwaway if needed: [email protected]
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Can you even buy a place to live around here for between $120-150k? Sure, but it looks like your pickings will be somewhat limited. http://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/1011-Arlington-Blvd-22209/unit-436/home/11253360 http://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/1121-Arlington-Blvd-22209/unit-203/home/11252477 http://www.redfin.com/VA/Arlington/4600-S-Four-Mile-Run-Dr-22204/unit-623/home/11266366, though. Is it a pipedream? I think you could do this if you want. You might have to search a bit for a realtor and their fee might be a bit more than you'd like, but properties with even less value get bought/sold very regularly (for instance, even parking spaces can be bought/sold). This bit worries me: - My parents probably would be to provide $10k+ towards a downpayment. For a house purchase to be reasonable, you need to be able to afford the down payment by yourself (some banks require this). The thing about houses is that people tend to think of monthly expenses or average expenses, but don't consider the large one-time payments that occasionally need to be made when owning a house. Say the roof collapses or the home owner's association issues a $30,000 one-time assessment to renovate the complex. These sorts of expenses can't (easily) be amortized into your monthly payments and your assets need to be sufficient to pay them off instantly if not quickly. Although a down payment doesn't prove that this is possible, it's a good demonstration of your ability to have a positive net worth, which is not obvious in your case. This bit worries me even more: I have never lived by myself. Ever. Before you make the biggest financial commitment of your life, you should know what you want. You're suggesting making a giant step in your life without giving me a reason why you need to take it. Nothing in your post indicates that you even want to own a property. Even if you can swing owning a place, I don't know why you want to. So..whats your advice? Rent for a while. No one has ever been disadvantaged due to buying a property after a year of renting. You will find out more about you want in a year of renting than from random people on AskMeFi. You might find you want to live somewhere else. You might decide you want kids (which would not be very easy in a 300 sqft studio). You might decide you want a house. Or, you might decide you know exactly what you want and then you'll be much more confident in your decision. Further, you can save up for your own down payment so that you will be ready to buy when you want to. I don't think it's time for you to buy. If you have to ask, the answer is probably "no".
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So I get you want to put down roots, but you're 24 and you live in Northern Virginia. You have NO idea where you'll be living or working in the next 5 years and even if it's in the general area, you could be signing up for a hellish commute because you get a great new job that is now a 2 hour commute. Also, the most you can maybe hope to but is a 2 bedroom place. Maybe 3, but it probably won't be very nice. Honestly the 2 bedroom probably won't be either. Do you really think it's realistic that you will raise your future kids and live in the same kind of crappy 2 bedroom apartment for the next 30-40 years? I mean people do it, but not by choice. You're boxing yourself in. I've put down roots in DC and I've lived in 6 different places (and moved away for 2.5 years before coming back). Also, what if you lose your job? It's a lot easier to get out of a lease than a mortgage. You are just starting your career. Last hired, first fired and all that. Not to scare you, but buying a house is scary. It's a massive commitment. If the market crashes again, you could be underwater in a place you can barely afford and can't rent out for the mortgage payment. I've seen it happen to at least 2 friends. 5 years later they live on the other side of the country and they are still paying towards the mortgage despite having renters. As a result they still have roommates when they could otherwise afford to live on their own. It sucks. Don't make financial commitment you aren't ready for yet. Wait a couple years. Watch the market. Rent a place in the meantime and save up.
whoaali
Also, your boyfriend is bringing home about 18k. I understand that he might not be able to make huge contributions toward rent, but that's certainly enough to contribute to a shared living situation. It's fine if you guys aren't ready for cohabitation, but the expectations there feel a little hinky.
PhoBWanKenobi
As far as living situations go, it sounds like you want to play in the World Series when you should be trying out for Little League. Have you seen a condo or townhouse in that price range anywhere you would consider living? Have you looked to see how much specific places cost? I'm in DC and don't make that much more than you but I'm anticipating that when it's time to buy, I'm looking at spending about $400k to $500k for a small 2 bedroom someplace where I won't get murdered. Because that's how much it will cost. At a minimum. Why are you thinking about buying when you've never lived on your own? Are you one of those who thinks that renting is throwing money away? I sort of understand that perspective but I'm renting and I'm still saving money and if I found my dream house in my price range tomorrow, I could move. If I got my dream job in Paris tomorrow, I could move. And if the furnace breaks at my place, I call my landlord. Renting is not that bad. Give that a shot before home ownership. And if you can't afford a down payment, you really shouldn't be buying. Yes, it's possible and there are some people for whom it's a good idea, but in general, it's not. If you can't save up a down payment, I don't know how you're going to afford a new roof, god forbid you need one.
kat518
I am a non-nomadic 20something and I own an inexpensive apartment in an expensive city. I definitely recommend renting first; I did for several years and still feel like maybe I bought a place too quickly. Renting will give you a sense of what a neighborhood is like and of what it's like to live without your parents. I second the suggestions to look at what kind of homes are out there in your price range before you commit. Also, since you say you like apartments, don't rule them out; you don't have to be personally responsible for upkeep in the same way in an apartment if you have a co-op like I do (though I know NYC is different from a lot of other areas in this respect so ymmv.) Also I am sorry if I'm being presumptuous but if there is instability in your living situation and if that might mean you have any sort of difficulties with your parents, do consider whether you actually want to buy a permanent home in the area where they live. Apologies if this consideration is irrelevant. Good luck!
mlle valentine
Please note that I specifically said in the first sentence that my living situation at home is precarious (but no specific timeline, just want to be prepared). If you were to suddenly find you needed to move out within the next week, that won't be enough time to go through the buying process on a house. It sounds like you are preparing to have to move suddenly, so you should keep the paperwork you would need for getting an apartment at hand. For instance, putting down roots, I am not a person who travels or is nomadic. I know people who've rented while living in the same place for 20 or more years. Renting is more convenient if you don't want to put down roots, or are nomadic, or want to not have an apartment and travel -- but renting doesn't mean you can't put down roots and not travel. But it sounds like you want to buy a house. There doesn't really have to be a why included in your question, if you have already concluded you'd like to buy a house if you possibly can. Do this: Get preapproved for a loan, and arrange with a realtor to have things in your price range emailed to you. Think about if you would be willing to buy a house that needed major repairs. If nothing turns up in your price range that interests you, you'll have an answer to your question, and if something does you can move forward with this. You might find that you don't want to put down your roots in a place you can afford right now. Many people are in the same situation, but you are fortunate enough that you can expect to afford something nicer in a few years. If the only places you'd want to buy are out of your price range, you'll either have to change your mind about where you want to live or rent and buy something else when your income is higher.
yohko
I don't think you can buy anything in Northern Virginia. Those River Place listings also include condo fees from $300-400 per month in addition to your mortgage - and those are studios, not even 1-BR. (Just so you know where I'm coming from - I've owned a SFH in eastern Loudoun for the past 10 years, rented a SFH in Falls Church for four years before that, and lived in apartments in both South Arlington and Fort Myer for a few years before that.) Realistically, you are going to need to pay closer to $200K for a condo, even out towards Leesburg. I agree with bessiemae. If you need to leave your current situation, you should look for a basement rental or apartment first.
candyland
Also, if you want "next steps," look into home buyer classes. There are a lot out there.
kat518
You don't list housing costs among your current expenses, so I assume you're not paying rent now? And not saving your own down payment or covering all of your expenses. You also don't mention retirement savings. I suggest working out a strict budget with a financial planner/educator so that you're saving at least half of your net pay. Nothing wrong in principle with going directly from family home to home ownership, but you don't sound prepared for it. And please do not have kids unless both you and your partner are financially secure enough to be able to do it on your own. If one of you leaves/gets sick/gets laid off/etc. there's still daycare and diapers in addition to that roof replacement to pay for.
headnsouth
From the OP:"Thanks for answering my question everyone! headnsouth, I included my 401k contributions in my original post at $600/mo (Planning to call Fidelity to figure out what % in order to max out the 17.5k limit for 2014, started work mid 2013). My current financial strategy and discipline is pretty sound, take a look at my first follow up. 7k student loan balance will fall to 3.5k by the next two paychecks, freeing up some cashflow. The kids mentioned were future ones. As in 5+ years down the road. I can't mark as best answers but if I could: longdaysjourney - Someone who understands! Thanks for posting (and reading it all), this is exactly the kind of answer I'm looking for. Yes I'm 100% sure about living around EFC after having lived in DC, Fairfax, and Ballston. Folks, I know me best and I know it's this place. You are right about 2000 because thats around the time my parents bought this property here EFC/WFC (they are low to moderate income) and they basically got a steal considering the value of the house now. bowtiesarecool - Very good point about waiting for the perfect house to stay in forever (moving sucks a lot) instead of a just ok "starter" (quotes because I have lived in large homes and small homes and I actually much prefer smaller). amarynth - Links are very helpful, thanks! Eyebrows McGee - Listing emails, that's a great idea! I already sort of do this by looking at the weekly Arlnow.com open house postings. I'll definitely be figuring out how to do this for my area bessiemae - That's some good perspective with the older workers still renting.
jessamyn
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