Mefites, especially New Yorkers, can I support myself in New York?
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I finally moved out of my abusive household, and I am proud of myself to finally be independent now. But I moved to Seattle on a whim, and after being here for 2 months, I feel as if it's not the right fit for me. I want to move to my dream city, New York. My sublet term is up at the end of August, and I have to move, either to somewhere else in Seattle or elsewhere, either way. But I have some complicating factors, and I am not sure if I can make it work. But I really want to make it work. Can you help me figure out what my options are? Many thanks for any help! First, I want to thank all of the Mefites who have helped me. Your support helped me change my life! I am so glad to be financially and emotionally independent of my birth family. :) They still harass me through email and phone, asking me where I live, but it's nice to know that they don't have any control over me, as I continue to ignore them (and will one day change my number, once I know where I will live). I moved to Seattle, and I want to start by saying that I don't mean to offend any Seattleites. But, I had a visceral, gut feeling upon landing here, that it's not the right city for me, because of the slower pace and how isolated it felt. I thought about leaving soon after I got here, but I decided to stay to see if any of the job interviews would pan out, as I had a strong desire to make back the money that I spent after moving, to have money coming in. It just doesn't feel like home, because home for me (and not the place I grew up) is a fast-paced city. I have encountered racism here, which I never thought I would experience here. I have been harassed, either on the bus or while I'm waiting for the bus, by people who think it's okay to invade my personal space and boundaries, because of my Indian ethnicity and because I'm a woman. I'm sure the typical Seattleite isn't like that, but I feel unwelcome here. And with regards to public transit, it is not really extensive and seems to be lacking, as it has no subway but buses that, save for weekday rush hours, are rather infrequent and inefficient, as they mainly run north to south, but not laterally. And once, the bus driver closed the door on me as I was exiting, and it dug into my back and shoulders, which hurt. I felt assaulted and was reminded of the times my dad would hit me there. In 4 years of living in Chicago during college, no bus driver there ever hit me. I'm having a hard time adjusting here, although my coworkers are great, and I am so thankful to have a job. And there is so much natural beauty here. I have to move from my sublet at the end of August, and am wondering if I should stay in Seattle. On an emotional level, I feel like I'm hurting here. The racism I've encountered here hurts me deeply. I wonder if I am not welcome here. I know that perhaps the encounters I've had are not indicative of the typical Seattleite, I hope, but I've encountered a disproportionate amount of such hostility, which has been trying. There are barely any African Americans here and not really many other minorities here, aside from East/Southeast Asian, and that makes me sad. If I had visited Seattle before I moved, I would have realized that it wasn't a good fit for me, and I think I would have moved elsewhere, despite the gorgeous natural beauty here, which was what drew me. In contrast, I lived for 4 years in Chicago during college, until my family forced me to leave after graduation. It was the best 4 years of my life. It is fast paced, with friendly people and so much diversity and liberal people. No one ever harassed me, whether it be racially or sexually. I would have moved back to Chicago, but it started to feel too small, and I had a bully in school there. I am afraid it would bring back bad memories of those times (which still, at the end of the day, paled in comparison to the many positives of being in Chicago). I went to New York (Manhattan, specifically) for a week before moving to Seattle, and I had the time of my life. I feel that New York is the best place on Earth, and there's no where else I'd rather live, if I could live anywhere. I felt welcome there. People would smile at me and talk to me, respectfully, and a random New Yorker even helped me look for my Metro pass in Midtown when I lost it. There is so much art there, which is my passion, and I love being around ambition and creative people, and the hustle and bustle of the city with so much history is just one of a kind. Manhattan felt like home. I fell in love, and was heartbroken to leave. I questioned whether moving to Seattle would be the right choice. I think about New York now and start tearing up, because I miss it and am so unhappy where I am now. But, there are complications. First and foremost is whether I would be able to afford it. I have a BFA in art and my dream is to be an illustrator, like many millions more in New York. But the only jobs I've been able to get so far are entry-level and hourly, in non-art related fields. I was recommended by the department head at my last job (non-art related) for a mid-level position, salaried with my own office etc after two years of temping there, but HR declined me because of the degree I had, an experience which has scarred me into fearing being unable to get a decent job. I currently am temping in Seattle, making 15/hr (the most I've ever been paid) and netting around 500 a month after being extremely frugal, which is second-nature to me. I'm unsure of what my job prospects would be in NYC, especially with all of the competition that must be there. In addition, I applied but didn't get a single part time or full time job that I applied to in Seattle (excluding the temping) even after interviewing. I don't understand why I wasn't hired for any of them, but if it was because of competition, I wonder if I would have an even harder time in NYC. I also face strong peer pressure to stay in Seattle, as the firm I am temping at has had high turnover in the position I currently have, and on my first day, my coworker even told me that it would be inappropriate for me to leave, as do other coworkers here and there, but in more subtle ways. I do like working there as they are nice people and I'm developing bonds with them, especially my boss, who is one of the best I've had, and I am really scared of leaving and being unable to find a job in NY. I have some savings I earned over the years from my jobs, but I am hesitant to use it to help me stand on my feet in New York, in case I should ever need it for an emergency. Should I use it for New York? I'm scared of using it all. There is a grad school that I want to go to, and with no financial support (or really, any other contact/support) from my birth family, that money would come in handy then. But maybe I should use it for New York? So I was wondering if I could ask the Green for your collective wisdom, during this confusing time for me: 1. Do you think I should move from Seattle, despite any flack from my coworkers/boss/temp agency? I am low on recommendations, because some of them had connections to my family, and the temp agency asked me, before placing me, if I would be able to commit to this job. I am scared of being unable to find a job in New York. If you think I should move: 2. Do you think I could support myself fully in New York? Manhattan would be a dream, but I'm sure that's out of my price range. But I am up for Brooklyn or Queens or any other cheaper option. I would like to live with roommates, and as long as it's safe & there aren't any pests/rodents, I'm fine! Is that reasonable? Any roommate-finding tips? Is Craigslist the best way to go? 3. Any tips on finding work in New York? Do you think my job prospects will work? Are there any temp agencies you would recommend? 4. Any other advice? So that's what I'm going through, and I'm really confused and can't think straight about making a decision. Any advice goes a long way. So those are some of my complications, and again, I don't mean to offend any Seattleites. I may be missing some other helpful info, in which case, feel free to let me know and I'll post a follow-up comment. Do you think this is just a pipe dream, or something I can actually do? Thanks in advance for all of your help. Your wisdom is much appreciated. :)
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First of all, as a temp you don't OWE anyone, anything. You work, you get paid. That is the extent of your obligation. So there's that. Don't let some idiot tell you that "it would be inappropriate for me to leave." Nonsense! If you are seriously convicted about moving to NY, I don't see why you shouldn't do it. Pack up and go. You gave Seattle a chance. Finding a place to live in NY is unlike any other proposition. But many people do. Craigslist is a way that people connect to find roommates. Check it out. One thing I would recommend is figuring out where you're going to land when you get to NY. Nearly no one will rent to you site unseen. It's a very competative market. Check http://www.nylofthostel.com/, it can be your first stop in NY, and you can then start your search from there. You can sleep in a dorm for $60 per night. https://www.airbnb.com/s/New-York--NY?checkin=08%2F31%2F2013&checkout=09%2F14%2F2013 Although the rates are similar. Simultaneously, get your job search going. Luckily there are tons of jobs in NY, and I'm sure you're qualified for one of them. Get on LinkedIn and Simply Hired and paper the world with your resume. Get a new cell phone with a 212 area code, and just use an email and phone number on your resume (no need for a snail mail address, now is there?) You are young and you have resources. Good luck!
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First off, congratulations on freeing yourself from your abusive family and staking your rightful claim to independence! If you're saving $500/mo while making $15/hour you're doing really well managing your resources. All of that must be exhilarating! No wonder you want to move to your dream city ASAP. Nonetheless, I think your move to New York will be more successful if you work on your emotional resilience. Your post shows clear signs that your abuse is manifesting itself by making you either a) struggle to shake off bad encounters or b) engage in anticipatory fear that you won't be able to do so. For example: HR declined me... which has scarred me. Or the bus driver closed the door on me... I felt assaulted and was reminded of the times my dad would hit me. Or I had a bully in [Chicago]... I am afraid [moving there] would bring back bad memories. As other have noted, you're mythologizing New York. But even if the apartment and job hunts go swimmingly, Something is bound to happen in New York that will test your emotional resilience and your high opinion of the City and its people will only make it worse. I don't know if your savings is sufficient--especially since you have no family to fall back on if things go badly--and I can't speak to the corrosive impact of feeling unwelcome or enduring racial/sexist slights. Nonetheless, I think you might benefit from sticking around Seattle a little longer to build up your financial resources, possibly find a job in your field, make more connections, plan your move better, and strengthen your emotional resources too. As a thought exercise, consider this: If your sublet wasn't ending in 30 days, would you feel ready to make this move?
carmicha
It is not possible to get a cell phone with a 212 area code. I'm not even sure if 917 (the first cell phone/pager area code for NYC) is available anymore. Employers are used to the fact that most people have a cell phone from their hometown, college town, or just wherever they lived the last time they changed service plans; the area code on a phone number at this point is really irrelevant.
telegraph
Honestly, it sounds like you are putting New York up on a pedestal and turning it into this dream, ideal place to avoid dealing with other issues, settling into Seattle, etc. I can tell you as a lifelong New Yorker I have been sexually harassed on the street, had racial slurs hurled at me, etc etc. No place is perfect. Your best bet for supporting yourself in New York would be to stay put where you are, keep saving, and most importantly build up a job history (at least one year tenure) and network to increase your chances of landing a good job whenever and wherever you move. Even if you don't expect to get a job working in art, it would help a lot to find a "day job" field you enjoy and feel passionate about -- employers would much rather hire someone who is interested in the job, rather than just doing whatever. Likewise, you can build up connections in that field, once you know what it is, by going to meetups, getting introed through friends and friends, attending conferences and lectures, etc.
telegraph
Hi, ethnic minority in New York City here. If you are Indian, use that in every possible way you can. Minority-owned businesses tend to prefer to hire people of their minority. Banking on my ethnicity has gotten me almost every job I've ever had. I mean I didn't just show up and say "hey I'm [ethnicity]" but it's the closest thing I've ever had to, say, being from the same prestigious university as someone who is trying to hire me. In a city like this one, people trust their own a lot sooner than they'll trust anyone else. Now, I am not Indian, I have no idea about your specific heritage within India, or how close you are to it, but if you can use it to your advantage do so, and do so with vigor. White folks have, for a very long time, used their heritage to get ahead in the world. In New York City, you don't have to be white for that.
A god with hooves, a god with horns
Thanks so much for all of the support. :) I'm not sure if anyone is still reading this, but I thought to go ahead and post, as it's taken me some time to gather my thoughts. I've really been overwhelmed by things, so it really helped to hear everyone's responses. I'm not entirely sure what to do yet, but I think that trying New York is something that I really want to do. The art world is there, and I really want to be there despite how hard it will be. But that aside, I just love the city, and all of the diversity there is just a wonderful thing. As a matter of fact, I actually did encounter two rude white men (separately), but I forgot about it 5 seconds later because there's just so much to take in in the city. And, like Suedehead and Sara C and others mentioned, it was easier to shrug off, than in a homogenous, less-populated place. I didn't even remember those two dudes until I read the cautionary posts here about racism in NY. But I think I definitely do put New York on a pedestal, and I'm sure I will be tested, and racism is everywhere, so yes, working on my resilience would be helpful, especially while I'm in Seattle. I'm thinking to stay in Seattle, at least until the Spring, to save money and try to shore up my emotional reserves. I've been having a hard time and I feel like quitting my job and then having to move and look for a job and place to live would be too much right now, although it would be New York, where I would be happier. So perhaps if things get too bad in Seattle, I might just move, but I think it would be helpful to work on my resilience and not just run away, as Errant and others mentioned. New York is a big proposition, so I think having some time to research and prepare would be good for me, especially since I don't have anyone but myself to rely on if things don't work out. I want to thank all of you, especially the Seattleites who wrote such thoughtful and honest answers about racism in Seattle. Your support really helped me. And I also want to thank you all for suggesting I don't write off Chicago. I will keep the Windy City in mind as I work on my resilience. Take care and thanks again, everyone. :)
independence under the radar
The thing about New York is that people are going to be an ass to you, but it's going to be more about the fact that they're being asses, and less about you. They'd have some bullshit to say to anybody standing next to them on the bus. It's equal opportunity awful, which means it doesn't have the same sting that small town awful has. New York is a much easier place to be different, than most other places on the planet. That said, as I said above, there are some major caveats to that, and there's an ugly flip side to the diversity. Someone upthread mentioned that you should leverage your background? Here's the thing with that. If there's not a specific community waiting to welcome you with open arms, you might feel like an outsider. Because just being brown, or just being from a particular post-colonial landmass, or just being a particular religion isn't enough in New York. I remember in college the Ashkenazi Jewish kids turning up their noses at the Bukharan Jewish kids who wanted to join Hillel. I was once hanging out in Greenpoint, Brooklyn, with my biracial/non-Polish boyfriend, and an older Polish woman came up to me and started berating me because she thought I was Polish and associating with the wrong sort. (I'm not in any way remotely Polish, she just decided I was and took it upon herself to be scandalized about my dating life.) I remember hearing a story of a Korean-American store owner giving an Indian-American coworker of mine shit because "you people" and blah blah blah. You know that song from Avenue Q, "Everyone's A Little Bit Racist"? That song is New York, in a nutshell. If all this sounds better to you than the Seattle "BUT WHERE ARE YOU REALLY FROM?" then New York might be a good fit for you. If it sounds even more complicated and scary, sticking it out where you already are might not be such a bad idea.
Sara C.
Okay, now I feel old. So keep your phone number.
Ruthless Bunny
I feel really conflicted. On the one hand, when I first left home I really wanted to be in New York. But I didn't think I could handle it for a variety of reasons, so instead I chose Boston. I hated Boston almost immediately, and ultimately chose to move to New York. (Against the protest of people who thought I should have given Boston a fairer shake, too.) It turned out NYC was the right decision for me. And I firmly believe that if there's something you know you want to do, as opposed to something you think you "ought" to do, you should do the first thing. On the other hand, I recently moved across the country, and it really is hard to settle into a new city. Two months barely scratches the surface, and you could definitely find a place for yourself in Seattle if you gave it more time. However, feeling unwelcome because of your race? Ugh, no. Why put up with that? And others are right, New York is one of the few places in the US where there will be very little of this sort of thing. That said, you will be pigeonholed based on what others perceive your ethnicity to be, which is sometimes frustrating, sometimes fascinating, and I think it can be a little claustrophobic for certain people. It is also a very real possibility that you will get to New York and not find either a job or a place to live. New York can also be extremely socially isolating, if you don't already have connections here. I would be somewhat leery of moving to New York with no local resources, especially because in your situation you can't just give up and go home if you're not happy.
Sara C.
1. I think you should move, but if you're earning some money now, possibly put it off until you have a couple of months of rent saved up? 2. Lucky thing for you New York is an enormous hub for the ad industry -- one of the few industries that uses illustrators. Do you have a good portfolio put together? Would you be comfortable working at an ad agency? At any rate -- there are temp agencies in NYC, too, and I highly doubt you'd be blacklisted for leaving a temp job in Seattle. I highly doubt you'll be able to find a completely pest-free apartment in New York. The roaches, they're *everywhere.* 3. I'll let someone else handle that. 4. You visited New York on vacation -- so it's possible you're mythologizing the city and what it's like to actually live here. That said, if you're miserable where you are and there's nothing tying you down, then of course you should change something.
Andrhia
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