Read ended by truck a month ago; their ins co won't make a decision
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I was hit by a garbage truck a little over a month ago. He had a stop sign that he decided to ignore. I was on a rte/main road with no stop sign, going with the flow of (considerable) traffic. My car was pretty seriously damaged and needs to be fixed, but so far the truck company's insurance company hasn't accepted liability, and are hanging their decision on a guy who apparently doesn't exist. In the meantime, my car's a mess. How to get a response so I can get my car fixed and not have to cover the rental myself? I was rear ended by a garbage truck a month ago. He had a stop sign and I was on a rte/main road (with no stop sign, going with traffic, of which there was a lot), but he apparently didn't feel like stopping/waiting as one does when one has a stop sign, so he just drove through it. I saw it as it was happening, the realization that he wasn't going to stop, and I tried to speed up to avoid him but he http://www.flickr.com/photos/amalkoff/9295619663/, doing significant damage. At the time, he got out of the truck and just started screaming that he'd "stopped at the stop sign" and didn't ask me if I was ok, or anything like that (I was not injured). A guy on the back of the truck indicated that he understood it was not my fault. Noone at the scene stopped, though there were plenty of other cars there. That is typical. Both cops said at the time that I was not at fault, but because they didn't see it occur and noone stopped, they could not state that in the police report and the truck driver could not be cited. But they assured me he'd be found at fault. I feared otherwise... And here's where it gets messy. My insurance company found me not at fault (yay), waived my deductible and there will be no surcharges or points. However, I don't have rental on my policy, and in order to avoid paying a few hundred dollars I don't have for the privilege of all this inconvenience, the truck company's insurance company must accept liability, which so far they haven't. The truck company sent out an independent adjustor to look at the car. That adjustor said to me "you're not at fault". However, the truck driver, they told me, is claiming I "went around" him, so it's my fault. This despite that fact that if that were true, I would have hit HIM. And the police report states that he claims I hit him, which would mean I backed up into him...on a state route, with traffic all around, inexplicably. It's logically impossible. So the two cops at the scene, the truck company's adjustor, my ins company, my ins agency, my adjustor and my body shop, plus the rules of the road all say that I'm not at fault, but the truck company's insurance company is going with the truck driver's "she went around me" statement. They are apparently waiting on a statement from the guy who was on the back of the truck (who said TO ME AT THE TIME that I wasn't at fault, but who knows what he'll say in a statement?) and he is MIA. He's not responding. In fact, the truck company says he doesn't work for them, though his name is on the police report and I have pictures of him standing on the back of the truck, in their uniform. So either he's illegal, or something else fishy is going on. I've tried calling the truck company directly, but their insurance person "wasn't in" and conveniently hasn't called back. In any case, the woman I spoke to at the truck company's insurance company, who was wholly horrible, told me there's no timeline for when she'll make a decision or when she needs to hear back from this guy. She told me if I push her for a deadline (pushing apparently = asking how long this process might take) that she'd "just decide against (me)". She also said that because the damage isn't wholly on the back of my car, it's my fault (??) My insurance agency and the people at the body shop have all been trying to get responses from them and get this moving, but have all been stonewalled as well. They (the other insurance co) won't make a decision and have been incredibly unpleasant to deal with. I have sent all the documentation I have, have made multiple trips to various places, talked to the cops, numerous phone calls, faxes, emails, etc. Hours upon hours of time sunk into this already and my car still isn't fixed. What I'm looking for are suggestions on what do to now. I will pay for the rental myself if need be, and my car is going in on 8/12 no matter what, but I cannot believe that that's my only "solution". Is this really how insurance works? One horrible woman at an insurance company many states away disregards everything - including her own independent adjustor's assessment - but her insured's absurd statement, and denies liability? Or just refuses to make a decision? And how do I get them to actually MAKE a decision? Any thoughts/ideas would be appreciated. My head is about to explode. Also: this was my first new car. I have a handful of payments left until it's paid off, so that makes it even sadder to me.
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Can you afford to eat the cost of the rental now, but demand to be reimbursed? She told me if I push her for a deadline (pushing apparently = asking how long this process might take) that she'd "just decide against (me)". You need to call, notify her that you're recording(are you in a two party state? if not just fucking record) and get some kind of record of her saying this. This is all kinds of fucked up, and i absolute cant stand this kind of often illegal "dangling the carrot" bullshit by people in petty positions of semi-power at places like this. My new goal would be not just to get my car fixed, but to get her and any other person who said any fucked up shitty parent to a 5 year old "If you don't do it my way i'm going to do the thing you don't want" threat shit like this in some kind of actual trouble. Saying they'd look at the available evidence and make a decision against it just because you're annoying them has to be against some kind of state insurance code or something. It can't just be like "Morally fucked up", there's gotta be some kind of rules against that behavior. THAT is something i'd be talking to the state insurance commissioner about. Ruthless bunny has the right idea with contacting your own insurance company and going "This needs to be dealt with, today. Not tomorrow, not by the end of the week. This has gone on for XYZ days and that is completely unacceptable. I'm canceling my policy at the end of this dispute if this isn't resolved by the end of the day." Then do it. It's actually odd though, because most insurance companies wouldn't want you talking to the other company and would be desperate to solve the problem ASAP so that you didn't. That's kinda weird too. If they're unhelpful, call the trucks insurance company again and literally sit on the phone until you get some kind of response out of them. Record the entire thing, tell each person at every step you're doing so. Laugh if they suddenly hang up on you like sketchy fucks. Be that annoying person who screams at them and yells at them and calls back every time they hang up, until the end of the day. Just do not get off the phone until you get some kind of definitive answer of them. Even if it's "i told you what i was going to do if you pushed me!". I never have the wherewithal to do that, and shit like this goes on for weeks for me. My boss, and my mother who will both actually sit down and YELL at people in situations like this and be "that awful customer" get results. They try to teach me the ways of the jedi all the time and i can never quite do it, but god dammit it works. Sit down with your phone and tell yourself "I am not getting up until this is resolved". Make them hate you and make you want to go away, and try and catch that woman being a piece of shit with some proof while you're at it.
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Also, consider calling an "on your side" local news team. They love civic dirt like this, and you have the evidence to back it up. Amazing how quickly some things get resolved when a reporter and camera keep showing up at their place of work.
disillusioned
I am a lawyer. I got rear-ended by a city bus. I had all kinds of trouble with their insurance, my insurance, etc., etc. Such a confusing, exasperating headache -- and I'm trained to deal with this crap for other people. I even threatened to -- then actually did -- cancel my insurance policy to no avail trying to get my damn adjustor on the phone just once. I found that a letter on letter head from a different attorney was very motivating for the insurance company dicking me around. Particularly when the letter was cc'd to the attorney general (or whichever state / provincial department in your jurisdiction oversees insurance companies). Boom, claim paid. If you know of or can find an attorney who can write a one-off letter for you, it might be the best $50 - $100 bucks you spend on this mess.
mibo
Hi. I work for a major insurance company. What gets my ass moving is a nasty letter from an insured to our CEO and board member (we're owned by another company, so the board member is our CEO's boss). Copy to the newspaper as needed. Your insurance company sucks. I'm sorry. We're not all like this. Who owns the garbage truck? Not their insurance, but the company/municipality. Call them. Write to their owner. Copy the newspaper as needed. When you call, be a bitch. Not being able to do anything is not an acceptable answer. Take notes. Get names. Demand to speak to somebody above them. Keep going. I'd say call your state department of insurance, but I'm not sure how much they could do right now. Might be worth a shot, though. Feel free to memail if you want more help.
Ms Vegetable
Take http://ask.metafilter.com/245898/Read-ended-by-truck-a-month-ago-their-ins-co-wont-make-a-decision#3571179 and get a lawyer to write one letter for you -- if it works, you'll be ahead, if it doesn't, it's at worst 100 bucks. It's more likely to work than not, and it may even be that your case is so good the lawyer will sue for damages and take the case on contingency. A consultation shouldn't cost you anything. You won't ever know unless you ask.
rhombus
Garbage truck? Call the mayor's office.
rhizome
No, not all insurance is like this. This is the kind of thing that makes people change insurance companies. I would contact MY insurance company and have them deal with the other insurance company. Also, see if you can get the "shop rate" on your rental car, it's significantly less expensive. Or, see if your body shop can arrange a loaner.
Ruthless Bunny
MA is a no fault state. You should claim against your insurance and your insurance company goes after the other party. Unfortunately because you do not have rental you have to suck it up. Now you could get a rental and try to bill the other party, but good luck with that.
Gungho
This is the sort of posturing that could potentially end up in litigation. There are standard practices within the business, and there is a strong incentive between insurance companies not to litigate, but I guess sometimes they really can't get their shit straight. I agree that you should limit the conversation to your own insurance company and keep the communication as amicable as possible and communicate to them your needs. You pay them a premium to cover repairs made in a timely manner. Establishing fault can come after the fact. Given the fact that you were hit in the rear quarter panel this is pretty obviously not your fault. If you have collision, I doubt your insurance company is going to be persuaded to pony up for damages to the truck. So therefore I have a strong feeling this will all eventually turn in your favor. Please do not record phone calls as that is not legal in all states. As for the rental situation, I don't know, maybe you could look at this a little less hysterically. You don't have a rental on your policy, that's your bad. The other insurance company has yet to accept responsibility. They're not going to accept responsibility simply because you need a rental. Sorry about the uncomfortable situation.
phaedon
Is your insurance agency a local smallfry or something? Start calling bosses and main/national offices. Do ask everybody you talk to to spell their names. At least here in California, an accident at a semi-controlled intersection like the one you describe where you don't have a stop and the cross-street does, and they hit you on your rear corner, where reality dictates that you had already almost-completely passed in front of their faces? Their windshield, their brakes, their fault. Even if you had "gone around them," it's their responsibility to ensure the intersection is clear before entering it, and to brake if there's anybody in front of them. They can't just floor it and blame whoever's winds up unlucky enough to be in front of them. Seriously, guys...seriously. You guys. Seriously.
rhizome
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