English Literature: What is good writing really? Would Shakespeare flunk an undergraduate writing course?
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I've heard the King James Bible described as an example of bad writing. It seems to me that the writing I like most is grammatically complex and uses a large vocabulary, and that this is required for concision and clarity. It also seems that what elite opinion considers good writing in the US and UK is not the same. It seems that the paradigm of good writing in the US is a refrigerator instruction manual. Is preciousness and pretension so hateful to elite American opinion that there cannot be any great American writing.
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Good writing is clear, focused, and appropriate for the audience. I'll assume we're talking about standard Academic prose. In this case, the writing expresses the ideas of the author in a way that is easy to understand. As one moves further into his or her field of expertise, concepts become more and more complex. The ability to express these with clarity is incredibly important. Good academic prose is also focused. It says what it has to and doesn't bring in extraneous content that could make the piece unclear. Finally, the work needs to address its audience. This is a very important aspect. Something that may be densely packed with information and carry a somber, academic tone wouldn't be appropriate for a magazine. If Shakespeare had this last piece of advice in mind, he'd surely pass any writing exam. He was a master of the craft after all.
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It depends what you mean by "good writing." Overly florid writing without much intellectual substance or merit tends to annoy people regardless of where they learned English. I think the idea that grammatically complex structures and large vocabularies are required for concision and clarity is also dependent on how you define "concision and clarity." Part of being concise and clear involves the task of understanding ones' audience, and using discretion when it comes to determining whether or not one's expansive vocabulary would be helpful to the cause of communicating a particular concept or idea. That last part is where I tend to derive my definition of "good writing." Is the idea or concept communicated in a fashion that understands its audience? Is it communicated in a way others could understand? The question, then, is not so much about pushing language to its limits or fashioning personal conceits of "high" and "low" writing, but understanding the circumstances that require its utility and maximizing it thus. As such, the general belief concerning Shakespeare has been that when you give him rules, he'll deliver the optimal experience in the English Language. So asking if Shakespeare could pass an undergraduate writing course is kind of like asking "can LeBron James dribble a basketball the length of the court, back-and-forth, for 48 minutes?" The answer is, of course, "yes." But why the hell would anyone want to see that?
Euno Lee
The paradigm of good writing in our (at least to my understanding) eyes is something you don't have to work to read, something that makes you think without needing the way it makes you think to be worthwhile to read. It uses words that are advanced, but not words that make you scramble to the dictionary when you can get the same effects for 3 simple words. no superfluous use of superfluous, and no pulling out a thesaurus when you write. Write what you would use when speaking, and don't use harder to follow language than that, unless it's because the character does. Certainly, writing is about the language- but in the end, this would be of equal, if not less quality, if i used fancy language that muddled this post. in the end, words are bricks and what you write is what you built with them. no one's impressed with a pile of fancy bricks, or you swapping in a fancier brick for the sake of pretension. Sure, we may find using only the simplest bricks as awkward, but we don't want to be deliberately baffled by words we have never heard before simply for the sake of using those words. If you would use it in conversation or lecture, use it in the book. Otherwise, don't use that word. the new king james bible is a wonderful book, but it occasionally has awkward wording- an unfortunate symptom of how language changes across generations, and of the translator effect. To answer your first question, yes, Shakespeare would probably flunk one of those classes- i hear that the real author of his plays was a noble who could not publish plays (not an appropriate thing for nobility to do, apparently.), so he gave them to Shakespeare. If that is accurate, than shakespeare would not pass the class.
Jared MacLean
Note: The KJV authors used a deliberately archaic form of English (even in 1610) in order to add authority to the work. It's use of language is classic and, while not used today, is actually in its own way great English Literature. As far as W. Shakespeare, are his works still read today? Samuel Johnson wrote in the 1760s that his works "had stood the test of time" and that was 250 some years ago. And, the answer is yes. PS. Refrigerator instruction manuals are written in Chinglish (Chinese transliterated into English without the corrections needed to follow English grammar rules).
David Ecale
Elite opinion in the US and UK regarding what constitutes good writing is about the same. That's why England's best literary minds defect to the United States; the money is better here, and they don't have to change their mind about anything.
Rodney Welch
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